MLB 2011 Winter Meetings Winner & Losers

**UKMustangFan** · Dec 8, 11, 12:55 PM

Who ya got?

Obviously the big winners to me are the Marlins and Angels.

I'd say the Cardinals and Brewers are the biggest losers, while the Cubs and Reds have to be included as well IMO.

**Voice of Reason** · Dec 8, 11, 12:59 PM

Why are the Cubs and Reds losers? It isn't like you have to make a move now.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 8, 11, 01:00 PM

Mets are my biggest losers. Sat around at the trade deadline when they were completely out of it and made no effort whatsoever to trade Reyes. Then, they didn't even make a formal offer to keep him once Free Agency started. To further pour salt in the wound they lost him to a division rival.

**UKMustangFan** · Dec 8, 11, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Why are the Cubs and Reds losers? It isn't like you have to make a move now.

I think most think both were going to try to make some moves, the Cubs with Pujols or Prince and the Reds with starting pitching.

Of course, a legit case can be made that the Reds are one of the big winners, just getting Prince and Pujols out of the division.

**UKMustangFan** · Dec 8, 11, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

Mets are my biggest losers. Sat around at the trade deadline when they were completely out of it and made no effort whatsoever to trade Reyes. Then, they didn't even make a formal offer to keep him once Free Agency started. To further pour salt in the wound they lost him to a division rival.

Agreed. I almost included them as well.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 8, 11, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by UKMustangFan

I think most think both were going to try to make some moves, the Cubs with Pujols or Prince and the Reds with starting pitching.

Of course, an legit case can be made that the Reds are one of the big winners, just getting Prince and Pujols out of the division.

I was just about to type that the Reds would be a winner for me for that exact reason. I don't think they were ever seriously going to get in on any of the FA pitching and as of now all of the potential pitchers to trade for are still there...

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 8, 11, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by UKMustangFan

Agreed. I almost included them as well.

If I'm a Mets fan I'm a lot more ticked off at my ownership/front office over what transpired at the winter meetings than if I'm a fan of probably any other team right now. I'd put them as the clear #1 losers.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 8, 11, 01:06 PM

I say this with EXTREME bias, I definitely think the Marlins were the big winners. They addressed several big needs and did a good job in changing the culture in South Florida and how the Marlins are viewed around the league. Finally, they put a big smile on formerkywrestler's face and that definitely should count for something!

**SvFan4life** · Dec 8, 11, 01:20 PM

Winners- Marlins, Angels

Losers- Cardinals, Mets, Brewers, Red Sox.

Honorable Mention for Winner: Yankees for not feeling like they have to go bid on Fielder, Pujols, etc. They didn't try to sign everyone this week and they won't cripple themselves for seasons to come.

**HammerTime** · Dec 8, 11, 01:21 PM

Yankees are in the loser list.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 8, 11, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by HammerTime

Yankees are in the loser list.

How so?

**HammerTime** · Dec 8, 11, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

How so?

They did nothing to a team that is getting older and older.

**SvFan4life** · Dec 8, 11, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by HammerTime

They did nothing to a team that is getting older and older.

Yankees are always known for overspending on all the big time free agents. This year they didn't and that's a plus. They didn't need Pujols. Sure they could have used another starter but they would have over spent on Wilson or Burhele.

**HammerTime** · Dec 8, 11, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by SvFan4life

Yankees are always known for overspending on all the big time free agents. This year they didn't and that's a plus. They didn't need Pujols. Sure they could have used another starter but they would have over spent on Wilson or Burhele.

I don't mean Pujols. Obviously they weren't going after him. They need another starter badly.

**SvFan4life** · Dec 8, 11, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by HammerTime

I don't mean Pujols. Obviously they weren't going after him. They need another starter badly.

Even if it meant over spending?

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 8, 11, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by HammerTime

They did nothing to a team that is getting older and older.

For various reasons they weren't going after any of the marquee fielders. Everything I read said the Yankees were only lukewarm at best on Wilson. Don't think Buerhle showed any interest to them. Sometimes doing nothing is better than making a silly move. I didn't see any good moves for them to make, but they definietly need to look into acquiring a SP somehow. Unfortunately the trade market for SP's is very rough for buyers right now.

**HammerTime** · Dec 8, 11, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by SvFan4life

Even if it meant over spending?

It hasn't stopped them before.

**SvFan4life** · Dec 8, 11, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by HammerTime

It hasn't stopped them before.

Hasn't really worked for them before either.

AJ Burnett ring a bell, or how about Carl Pavano.

**HammerTime** · Dec 8, 11, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by SvFan4life

Hasn't really worked for them before either.

AJ Burnett ring a bell, or how about Carl Pavano.

I agree but I don't think they can afford to stand pat with their current team. They need to do something. Them doing nothing as of now would = loser status of winter meetings.