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    Homer Bailey

    The Reds are now 1-18 in his starts. He's got a 3.8 WAR for his career. I know it is in hindsight, but is this the worst contract in Reds history? 6 years for $105 million has netted the Reds 18 wins.
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    Before the most recent start/loss, I saw a factoid on the (then) 1-17 record in his starts. It said this was the worst record through 18 starts for any one pitcher/team combo since someone on the Cleveland Spiders in 1899.

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    Could be the worst signing in baseball history! His 2018 WAR is -1.7 and he made $20M!

    Maybe Bruce Sutter for the Braves OR the LHP from the A's that moved to SFG? (Forget his name.)

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    Homer is not that bad. IF he becomes the scapegoat, then the ownership really is clueless. We wasted some of his good starts, never score runs for him, and play terrible defense when he pitches.

    Deangelo Jiminez was a terrible contract. You can even say Barry Larkin's contract was equally bad.

    Johnny Cueto's contract with the giants is also bad for what they are getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PP1 View Post
    Homer is not that bad. IF he becomes the scapegoat, then the ownership really is clueless. We wasted some of his good starts, never score runs for him, and play terrible defense when he pitches.
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    His ERA is over 6.

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    Homer has quality starts in about one third of his starts, which is pretty much the same ratio as all the other Reds starters. In Homer's 6 quality starts, the Reds scored 2 or fewer runs every game.

    Here are the ERA's of the Reds starting pitchers:

    Desclafani ..... 4.37
    Harvey .......... 4.43
    Castillo .......... 4.83
    Mahle ............ 4.95
    Romano ........ 5.35
    Bailey ........... 6.13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Homer has quality starts in about one third of his starts, which is pretty much the same ratio as all the other Reds starters. In Homer's 6 quality starts, the Reds scored 2 or fewer runs every game.

    Here are the ERA's of the Reds starting pitchers:

    Desclafani ..... 4.37
    Harvey .......... 4.43
    Castillo .......... 4.83
    Mahle ............ 4.95
    Romano ........ 5.35
    Bailey ........... 6.13
    And he's making as much as pretty much all of them combined isn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Homer has quality starts in about one third of his starts, which is pretty much the same ratio as all the other Reds starters. In Homer's 6 quality starts, the Reds scored 2 or fewer runs every game.

    Here are the ERA's of the Reds starting pitchers:

    Desclafani ..... 4.37
    Harvey .......... 4.43
    Castillo .......... 4.83
    Mahle ............ 4.95
    Romano ........ 5.35
    Bailey ........... 6.13
    So in other words, the entire staff sucks and ownership has screwed up this so called rebuild.

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    My issue is they're still giving Homer and Harvey starts while sending guys like Romano to the bullpen after 2 poor outings.

    This season should've been about letting the youngsters (Romano, Castillo, Mahle, Stephenson, Reed, etc) each get 25+ starts and take their lumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpa2825 View Post
    Could be the worst signing in baseball history! His 2018 WAR is -1.7 and he made $20M!

    Maybe Bruce Sutter for the Braves OR the LHP from the A's that moved to SFG? (Forget his name.)
    Barry Zito?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    My issue is they're still giving Homer and Harvey starts while sending guys like Romano to the bullpen after 2 poor outings.

    This season should've been about letting the youngsters (Romano, Castillo, Mahle, Stephenson, Reed, etc) each get 25+ starts and take their lumps.
    While I agree with you to some extent, taking lumps doesn't work for all pitchers. Some lose their confidence and never regain it. Reed seems to have gotten over his issues with throwing strikes and avoiding walks, Mahle, Romano and Stephenson haven't. They still want to pick around the plate instead of attacking hitters and shortening their pitch counts. I think these young guys have to learn to trust their stuff especially Castillo. He has dynamite stuff and could easily become a #1 on this staff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Hangin Around View Post
    While I agree with you to some extent, taking lumps doesn't work for all pitchers. Some lose their confidence and never regain it. Reed seems to have gotten over his issues with throwing strikes and avoiding walks, Mahle, Romano and Stephenson haven't. They still want to pick around the plate instead of attacking hitters and shortening their pitch counts. I think these young guys have to learn to trust their stuff especially Castillo. He has dynamite stuff and could easily become a #1 on this staff
    That's kind of the point IMO. You let them take their lumps. The ones that can't handle it aren't long for the big leagues as it is, so best to find out right away. The pitchers that make it are capable of bouncing back from rough patches. Gotta find out what you have IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym View Post
    The Reds are now 1-18 in his starts. He's got a 3.8 WAR for his career. I know it is in hindsight, but is this the worst contract in Reds history? 6 years for $105 million has netted the Reds 18 wins.
    YES, by far the worst contract in Reds history !

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    Quote Originally Posted by PP1 View Post
    Homer is not that bad. IF he becomes the scapegoat, then the ownership really is clueless. We wasted some of his good starts, never score runs for him, and play terrible defense when he pitches.

    Deangelo Jiminez was a terrible contract. You can even say Barry Larkin's contract was equally bad.

    Johnny Cueto's contract with the giants is also bad for what they are getting.
    Really, you can throw this year out and the contract is still BAD. How would like to be signing his paycheck ?

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