Cardinals at Reds (7/18 - 7/21)

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    That was a positive inning, LOL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16thBBall Fan View Post
    Good LORD, this team is so poor fundamentally it is UNREAL!!
    Somebody take charge and straighten this out!!
    Reds have been this way for several years no matter who the manager is. I often wonder why base running, fielding, mental errors and just general baseball IQ are lacking with the Reds. But it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16thBBall Fan View Post
    Good LORD, this team is so poor fundamentally it is UNREAL!!
    Somebody take charge and straighten this out!!
    No, there is no accountability or pride.
    Some weeks ago, I posted to let Mac Whitaker coach them for a week and the ship would be righted. I'll say it again. Cincinnati has a history (at least back through Dusty) of having milk toast managers.
    David Bell has exemplified over and over again a "Get em next time attitude."
    Don't think we would be seeing this if "Sweet Lou" was still in charge.
    Embarrassing.

    There is no fear of retribution - None!!!
    Right now they are the most unprofessional "professional" team in baseball.

    I feel bad for Votto who has been stuck in this frustrating situation for too many years. Recently, it has obviously made its way to the field and in the dougout. Merely going through the motions.

    We are a rudderless ship!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumoroyal View Post
    Reds have been this way for several years no matter who the manager is. I often wonder why base running, fielding, mental errors and just general baseball IQ are lacking with the Reds. But it does.
    Because it is accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumoroyal View Post
    I did not see them, what were the bad plays?
    Iglesias started it, tried to flip the ball out of his glove for a force at 2nd on one he had to charge, if he just makes the easy fundamental play at first the inning is over with a 7-2 lead!!! Then Puig tries to throw to 3rd on a fly out that he had NO chance on and allowed the guy on first to advance to 2nd on, they just play so poor fundamentally!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Because it is accepted.
    Agree 100%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    No, there is no accountability or pride.
    Some weeks ago, I posted to let Mac Whitaker coach them for a week and the ship would be righted. I'll say it again. Cincinnati has a history (at least back through Dusty) of having milk toast managers.
    David Bell has exemplified over and over again a "Get em next time attitude."
    Don't think we would be seeing this if "Sweet Lou" was still in charge.
    Embarrassing.

    There is no fear of retribution - None!!!
    Right now they are the most unprofessional "professional" team in baseball.

    I feel bad for Votto who has been stuck in this frustrating situation for too many years. Recently, it has obviously made its way to the field and in the dougout. Merely going through the motions.

    We are a rudderless ship!!!
    And agree 100% again!! As a coach in ANY sport what you ALLOW is what you’re TEACHING!!

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    Who is the leader on this team? Votto is older and best player and should be the leader but he wants no part of it. He would never call anyone out after game. On the other hand, I don't know anyone else on this team that would either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumoroyal View Post
    Who is the leader on this team? Votto is older and best player and should be the leader but he wants no part of it. He would never call anyone out after game. On the other hand, I don't know anyone else on this team that would either.
    Good points!! He just flat missed a grounder on an EASY hop that if it hadn’t hit him in the knee he wouldn’t have even touched it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16thBBall Fan View Post
    Good points!! He just flat missed a grounder on an EASY hop that if it hadn’t hit him in the knee he wouldn’t have even touched it!!
    All season Votto has displayed evidence of serious burn out.
    Season after season of frustration will do that to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumoroyal View Post
    Reds have been this way for several years no matter who the manager is. I often wonder why base running, fielding, mental errors and just general baseball IQ are lacking with the Reds. But it does.
    The Cardinals were like this under Matheny. It has been so much better under Shildt.

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    IMO, it is time to get rid of the pieces that you are not going to sign long term and hopefully you can get something of decent value in return. The first to go would be Puig, especially considering the tear that he has been on lately. Another I would seriously consider moving is Raisel Iglesias if I can get a good haul in return. There will be no takers for Scooter because he looks like a shell of what he was before the injury, perhaps you can get him to resign at a hometown discount.

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    It was a good year for the Reds. They gave us some hope for a miracle. They are more competitive than they have been the last few years. I like many of the moves made this year. Time to look at building on this year's gains for next year. They kept us interested till football got here.

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    This was the kind of loss that can demoralize you. Hoping for a bounce-back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    No, there is no accountability or pride.
    Some weeks ago, I posted to let Mac Whitaker coach them for a week and the ship would be righted. I'll say it again. Cincinnati has a history (at least back through Dusty) of having milk toast managers.
    David Bell has exemplified over and over again a "Get em next time attitude."
    Don't think we would be seeing this if "Sweet Lou" was still in charge.
    Embarrassing.

    There is no fear of retribution - None!!!
    Right now they are the most unprofessional "professional" team in baseball.

    I feel bad for Votto who has been stuck in this frustrating situation for too many years. Recently, it has obviously made its way to the field and in the dougout. Merely going through the motions.

    We are a rudderless ship!!!
    I saw the earlier post along these lines that you refer to. I left it alone as I have grown to respect and agree with most insight you provide, but I can’t on this one.

    Mac wouldn’t last a week in a big league clubhouse. I know him very well, have a long time, but he wouldn’t last in todays game.

    The first time he pulled a guy mid-inning and berated then publicly after he had them run outside the outfield fence he would lose the clubhouse.

    The Sweet Lou’s, Jim Leland’s and others are managers of the past. It would NEVER fly with today’s game and egos.

    The days of leading with fear are in the past.

    Joe Giardi can’t even find a job after 2 successful stops, and it continues to point to not being a players manager, losing the clubhouse.

    None of this means David Bell is doing a good job. I think he’s much better than Price, but could do better on the little things, but to think you’d have drastic changes by inserting Mac or anyone like him is a huge stretch.

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