Boston Red Sox are Cheaters

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Sign stealing has been going on since the sport began. There isn't a team out there that isn't trying to pick up on someone else's signs.
    No doubt. It's not the stealing of signs that is the issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    No doubt. It's not the stealing of signs that is the issue here.
    I know...it's how they stole the signs. I'm just not all that worked up about it and I really don't think it's all that big of a deal. If you're stealing signs, you're stealing signs.....regardless of how it's done.

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    Just so I'm clear, we're ready to draw an quarter guys for cheating by using PED's but this brand of cheating is just all in good fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Sign stealing has been going on since the sport began. There isn't a team out there that isn't trying to pick up on someone else's signs.
    One of the joys of being a catcher, mixing up the signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    Just so I'm clear, we're ready to draw an quarter guys for cheating by using PED's but this brand of cheating is just all in good fun.
    I don't View the two as the same. But I'm not calling for PED users heads either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    I don't View the two as the same. But I'm not calling for PED users heads either.
    I'd argue knowing what pitch is coming is a much greater advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime View Post
    I'd argue knowing what pitch is coming is a much greater advantage.
    I don't think you can argue against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    I don't View the two as the same. But I'm not calling for PED users heads either.
    Cheating is cheating right? I mean if Barry Bonds knew what every pitch coming was he would have hit 1000 HR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    Cheating is cheating right? I mean if Barry Bonds knew what every pitch coming was he would have hit 1000 HR's.
    He may have known every pitch that was coming. Stealing signs is part of the game and has always been part of the game. The only problem here is how they were stealing the signs. As long as you don't use an electronic device it's all good. When I played in college, someone was assigned to try to pick up signs to tip the batters. Every MLB team is actively trying to steal signs. simply knowing the pitch doesn't guarantee success, although it does help. and I know a lot of guys who'd rather not know what's coming.

    Stealing signs is a real gray area. Teams don't like it, but everybody does it or at least tries to do it.

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    Heck, as far back as when I was a kid playing Knothole we were always trying to pick up the other teams signs, just part of the game then. However to use electronic devices, that's just not proper.

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    From what I heard on the Baseball Tonight Podcast the issue wasn't in how they stole the signs but in how they used the Apple Watch to relay the information. They were using their video room to review the signs and then transmitting that information to the assistant trainer's watch and from there he gave it to the players. Evidently their video room is not right behind the clubhouse so they did it to get the information to the players quicker.

    The Red Sox also claim to have submitted evidence to the league officer that the Yankees had one of their YES cameras focused on bench coach Gary DiSarcina in order to steal the Red Sox signs. I know that Rob Manfred wanted both teams to keep this out of the news but the 2 rivals just couldn't do it. Even if the Red Sox do have that evidence I wish they'd have kept it quiet and just owned what they did.
    The 2 teams are acting like a couple of tweens.

    There will certainly be some fines coming. I'm not sure about suspensions. Who would they suspend? The video crew, the trainer, Dombrowski, Farrell? May vote is for Farrell. I could live without him for a week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    He may have known every pitch that was coming. Stealing signs is part of the game and has always been part of the game. The only problem here is how they were stealing the signs. As long as you don't use an electronic device it's all good. When I played in college, someone was assigned to try to pick up signs to tip the batters. Every MLB team is actively trying to steal signs. simply knowing the pitch doesn't guarantee success, although it does help. and I know a lot of guys who'd rather not know what's coming.

    Stealing signs is a real gray area. Teams don't like it, but everybody does it or at least tries to do it.
    They were either not very good or not very smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    He may have known every pitch that was coming. Stealing signs is part of the game and has always been part of the game. The only problem here is how they were stealing the signs. As long as you don't use an electronic device it's all good. When I played in college, someone was assigned to try to pick up signs to tip the batters. Every MLB team is actively trying to steal signs. simply knowing the pitch doesn't guarantee success, although it does help. and I know a lot of guys who'd rather not know what's coming.

    Stealing signs is a real gray area. Teams don't like it, but everybody does it or at least tries to do it.
    I never said stealing signs was an issue. But when you break the rules to do it then it is problem.

    Simply taking PEDs doesn't guarantee you success, although it helps. See how that works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfTroy View Post
    They were either not very good or not very smart.
    2 players that felt that way were Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr....that kind of blows your theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym View Post
    2 players that felt that way were Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr....that kind of blows your theory.
    It always sounded to me that Gwynn didn't want false intelligence or just didn't want it in his head. One of the highest batting averages ever, he didn't need the help. Never heard Ripken speak on it but I think they just say it as a mentality.

    The only way to get MLB hitters out is to change speeds. If you're telling me you don't want to know if it's coming in at 95, 85, or 78, you're crazy.

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