The KHSAA will continue to offer a slow-pitch state tournament...for six teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nljagsfan
    To ask the same girls to play slow pitch and fast pitch games in the same season is very difficult. It is hard enough to hit a good fast pitch hurler, much less if you have been facing slow pitch. The defense is also much different as the ball comes off the bat much quicker. This will be tough to do. I say when you make the switch, go all the way so the girls can adapt to a different game.
    You may be correct. I'm guessing that the KHSAA thought it might be the best thing for the student athletes that are Junior and Seniors who could finish out playing slow-pitch while the Sophs and Frosh learn the fast-pitch game for two years. Or maybe it was to stay away from lawsuits.
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    It is absolutely preposterous to compare these girls to 40 year old beer drinking leaguers, and make the unfair assertion that all they do is sit around. First off, go down the rosters of these schools, especially the small ones. Now look at the rosters for cheerleading, volleyball, golf, etc... Notice any similarities. These girls are very competitive, whether the ball is coming fast or not. For those who say this isn't really a sport anyway, play third base in a game.
    As far as the girls playing a game that is often played by old beer drinkers, has anyone been on a golf course lately? But the idea of getting rid of this sport would create an uproar. Do these athletes put in more effort than girls soft ball players then? Of course not, as much the effort that goes in to hitting a chip shot is put in to catching a fly ball on the run. The twenty schools that take part in slow pitch softball have some of the hardest working girls in the state, and they just want to compete in their chosen sport. To say that it is uncompetitive is unfair, especially when justified it is a beer drinkers sport. Football and basketball are uncompetitive when a bunch of “forty somethings” take a case of beer and go play (and there are leagues for this in both sports). The sport is as competitive and difficult as the girls decide to make it, and the girls playing slow-pitch do not take the game lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther8404
    It is absolutely preposterous to compare these girls to 40 year old beer drinking leaguers, and make the unfair assertion that all they do is sit around. First off, go down the rosters of these schools, especially the small ones. Now look at the rosters for cheerleading, volleyball, golf, etc... Notice any similarities. These girls are very competitive, whether the ball is coming fast or not. For those who say this isn't really a sport anyway, play third base in a game.
    As far as the girls playing a game that is often played by old beer drinkers, has anyone been on a golf course lately? But the idea of getting rid of this sport would create an uproar. Do these athletes put in more effort than girls soft ball players then? Of course not, as much the effort that goes in to hitting a chip shot is put in to catching a fly ball on the run. The twenty schools that take part in slow pitch softball have some of the hardest working girls in the state, and they just want to compete in their chosen sport. To say that it is uncompetitive is unfair, especially when justified it is a beer drinkers sport. Football and basketball are uncompetitive when a bunch of “forty somethings” take a case of beer and go play (and there are leagues for this in both sports). The sport is as competitive and difficult as the girls decide to make it, and the girls playing slow-pitch do not take the game lightly.
    Well said.
    Hopefully the idea for a Fall season for slow-pitch and a Spring season for fast-pitch will succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther8404
    It is absolutely preposterous to compare these girls to 40 year old beer drinking leaguers, and make the unfair assertion that all they do is sit around. First off, go down the rosters of these schools, especially the small ones. Now look at the rosters for cheerleading, volleyball, golf, etc... Notice any similarities. These girls are very competitive, whether the ball is coming fast or not. For those who say this isn't really a sport anyway, play third base in a game.
    As far as the girls playing a game that is often played by old beer drinkers, has anyone been on a golf course lately? But the idea of getting rid of this sport would create an uproar. Do these athletes put in more effort than girls soft ball players then? Of course not, as much the effort that goes in to hitting a chip shot is put in to catching a fly ball on the run. The twenty schools that take part in slow pitch softball have some of the hardest working girls in the state, and they just want to compete in their chosen sport. To say that it is uncompetitive is unfair, especially when justified it is a beer drinkers sport. Football and basketball are uncompetitive when a bunch of “forty somethings” take a case of beer and go play (and there are leagues for this in both sports). The sport is as competitive and difficult as the girls decide to make it, and the girls playing slow-pitch do not take the game lightly.

    Since this seems to be addressed to me, I'll go ahead and reply.

    First off, your comparisons to other sports are utterly invalid. Reason? You can actually get college scholarships to the other sports. If those girls are dying to play beer league softball, there are plenty of leagues in NoKy they can get in.

    Not once did I say they didn't work hard, so save that argument (the same one cheerleading advocates like to use when trying to build up the activity as a "sport").

    Bottom line is this: There's no future in beer league softball as a HS sport, and as far as I know there definitely isn't a past on the college level. I'm not aware of anywhere in the country where they play it on the HS level, other than in NoKy.

    So get with the times people! Those girls will have plenty of time to engage in the ridiculous endeavor of beer league softball long into their 40s and 50s. They should be playing a real sport in HS.

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    Because apparently all high school athletes are really in it for are scholarships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther8404
    Because apparently all high school athletes are really in it for are scholarships.
    Name me one HS sport other than beer league softball where kids can't get a scholarship. If they are just in it for the competition, they can get plenty of that at Softball City, and not eat up numbers that can be used, Title IX-wise, for another sports where those who excel can get a college scholarship.

    Not all HS athletes are in it for the scholarships, but I'd bet most all, when they first started, had dreams that they would one day be good enough to play at the next level.

    Beer league softball is a dead-end street. Let it die in peace rather than grasping at straws. Pull the plug.

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    I'm just curious what sport you would replace it with?

    BTW...Go Sox!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther8404
    I'm just curious what sport you would replace it with?

    BTW...Go Sox!
    Obviously, fast-pitch softball. But it depends on the individual school and what offerings they have in terms of girls sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue
    Name me one HS sport other than beer league softball where kids can't get a scholarship. If they are just in it for the competition, they can get plenty of that at Softball City, and not eat up numbers that can be used, Title IX-wise, for another sports where those who excel can get a college scholarship.

    Not all HS athletes are in it for the scholarships, but I'd bet most all, when they first started, had dreams that they would one day be good enough to play at the next level.

    Beer league softball is a dead-end street. Let it die in peace rather than grasping at straws. Pull the plug.
    Think about it this way, If the girls really wanted to have a fast pitch softball team at their school so they could have a chance to get a scholarship than trust me they probably would complain and demand to have a fast pitch softball team instead, because if they did then they would have got it. But the girls at these schools weren't complaining they played just for the fun of it and the competition. The girls put alot of hard work to play this game that they love, but now that a few other people dont believe it is right they take it away. Having the slow pitch teams didn't cause any harm to anyone. In fact if you have went to the slow pitch state tournaments you would have seen that it is nothing like beer league softball. These girls play very hard and with all heart and is very very competitive and fun to watch.

    Yeah maybe you should make the schools who dont have fast pitch softball make them have it as atleast an option and if they get enough people to play then great. But most of them would still say with slow pitch because they dont care about the scholarships they just play for the competion and the love of slow pitch.

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    But why call it a "state" tournament when only the NKy area has teams in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by statmanhensley
    But why call it a "state" tournament when only the NKy area has teams in it?

    It was/is open to all schools in the state. Just happened that only those in NKY have continued to offer the sport and some schools have done it along with having a fastpitch team.

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    The hardest thing I've seen is convincing PARENTS to allow their little girls to learn the fast pitch game at the recreation level. They don't seem to have a problem letting their BOYS learn baseball and be alone on the mound at age 7 or 8, pitching every few days. The girls will have to adapt and learn a new style of game. It's going to be a tough few years, but if they just hang in there, they may find the same amount of enjoyment in this 'new' sport.
    Now....if we can just get more people to transfer to this area from Illinois, CA, Texas, etc...that KNOW how to play.....

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    [QUOTE=Jim Schue]Name me one HS sport other than beer league softball where kids can't get a scholarship. If they are just in it for the competition, they can get plenty of that at Softball City, and not eat up numbers that can be used, Title IX-wise, for another sports where those who excel can get a college scholarship.

    Sorry but I hadn't gotten a chance to check back in on this in a while. Title IX-wise? The cold fact of it is that a lot of schools are looking to create girls sports and throw money at them in order to keep them in line with the boys sports. There aren't other teams to give money to, because most schools are struggling to keep the girls funds at the same level as the boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beechnut
    The hardest thing I've seen is convincing PARENTS to allow their little girls to learn the fast pitch game at the recreation level. )
    A big challenge is finding rec leagues. There aren't many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue
    Name me one HS sport other than beer league softball where kids can't get a scholarship.
    Flag football is a girls' varsity sport in Florida.

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