Cincy Pitcher Commits to Longhorns

Originally Posted by memyselfandi

Ya think? You do not see many college coaches at high school softball games!

You and I know that but others on here may not.

Originally Posted by memyselfandi

Ya think? You do not see many college coaches at high school softball games!

I did see UK and UL at Kirsten's games.

Originally Posted by Clyde

I did see UK and UL at Kirsten's games.

That does not surprise me, everyone wants a stud pitcher.

Originally Posted by Clyde

I did see UK and UL at Kirsten's games.

Totally different in my opinion. They had already done all of their recruiting on her before high school in my opinion.

Originally Posted by memyselfandi

Totally different in my opinion. They had already done all of their recruiting on her before high school in my opinion.

I don't disagree. I'm sure they were more into the "recruiting" phase than the "eval" phase.

Originally Posted by SSC

One other thing, I am as certain as I can be with out having personal knowlede that nothing she did in HS helped her get her to OU. I am sure it came through travel ball.

Agree with you somewhat, College coaches do not have the time, funds or means to recruit during the high school season. That is why so much of their recuriting is done in the summer. But if you think the only way she made it was through summer ball you are wrong. A player of her stature would have been recruited with or without summer ball.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

Agree with you somewhat, College coaches do not have the time, funds or means to recruit during the high school season. That is why so much of their recuriting is done in the summer. But if you think the only way she made it was through summer ball you are wrong. A player of her stature would have been recruited with or without summer ball.

Correct, but at what level? I doubt the Big 12, SEC, etc.. would have come calling at the same intensity level without the benefit of competitive summer/travel ball. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

Agree with you somewhat, College coaches do not have the time, funds or means to recruit during the high school season. That is why so much of their recuriting is done in the summer. But if you think the only way she made it was through summer ball you are wrong. A player of her stature would have been recruited with or without summer ball.

I am wrong so you are saying by her pitching at Ryle it helped her get to OU? That's very surprising to me. Where did you hear coaches don't have the time, funds or means to recruit during HS? They have all of the above expect they only have 50 contact days a year and maybe wouldn't want to waste them to see a HS game unless its a kid that they really want. (we are talking BCS type schools that would have been recruiting Allen)

A perfect example would be Ginn from Walton. I think by anyones standards she had a wonderful career. She did not play at a very high level in the summer and now she has to walk on at a lower D1 school. If I am not mistaking I believe one of her teammates that did play at a higher level did get some athletic money to play at Bowling Green. Ginn had one of the best careers in Ky HS history but it did not help her when it came to college and that is with a family member as her coach.

Coaches recruit in the summer bc they can go to one location and see 100's of kids that may or may not be the type of player they are looking for. If a D1 coach shows up at a HS game its bc they really want the kid they are there for.

Originally Posted by SSC

I am wrong so you are saying by her pitching at Ryle it helped her get to OU? That's very surprising to me. Where did you hear coaches don't have the time, funds or means to recruit during HS? They have all of the above expect they only have 50 contact days a year and maybe wouldn't want to waste them to see a HS game unless its a kid that they really want. (we are talking BCS type schools that would have been recruiting Allen)

A perfect example would be Ginn from Walton. I think by anyones standards she had a wonderful career. She did not play at a very high level in the summer and now she has to walk on at a lower D1 school. If I am not mistaking I believe one of her teammates that did play at a higher level did get some athletic money to play at Bowling Green. Ginn had one of the best careers in Ky HS history but it did not help her when it came to college and that is with a family member as her coach.

Coaches recruit in the summer bc they can go to one location and see 100's of kids that may or may not be the type of player they are looking for. If a D1 coach shows up at a HS game its bc they really want the kid they are there for.

Never said summer ball isn't the easiest route for recruiting. But if you think Kirstens career at Ryle had no effect on her college recruiting you are mistaken.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

Never said summer ball isn't the easiest route for recruiting. But if you think Kirstens career at Ryle had no effect on her college recruiting you are mistaken.

How so?

Originally Posted by SSC

How so?

What she did at Ryle was hard for even the top level Div. 1 teams to ignore.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

What she did at Ryle was hard for even the top level Div. 1 teams to ignore.

I would love to hear from kids or parents that played with her at Ryle to see how many college coaches attended her games. I can see the local schools. Not sure how it was done several years ago but most kids in her position now would be offered at least before her soph year. We have a girl going to Washington that was verbaled before she threw a pitch in HS.

I am just trying to pass along info that I have learned over the last couple of years. I understand every sitiutiaton is different and what works for one kid might not work for all. I have been lucky enough to help several girls get D1 rides and I don't recall one conversation with a D1 coach that asked about there HS team. If this helps some one young so be it if not please ignore.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

What she did at Ryle was hard for even the top level Div. 1 teams to ignore.

I can tell you right now, OU did not recruit her from high school they recruited her from her summer team. Maybe the Thomas Mores and Mt. St Joes of the world recruit from the high school level around here but I can say the top softball players are being recruited from their summer teams from the bigger tournaments. Maybe if she was from California, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma or Florida then maybe she was recruited from high school where the competition is on a more equal ground but in the state of Kentucky softball (High School) is a behind. It is getting there but it is probably 5 years behind.

Originally Posted by memyselfandi

I can tell you right now, OU did not recruit her from high school they recruited her from her summer team. Maybe the Thomas Mores and Mt. St Joes of the world recruit from the high school level around here but I can say the top softball players are being recruited from their summer teams from the bigger tournaments. Maybe if she was from California, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma or Florida then maybe she was recruited from high school where the competition is on a more equal ground but in the state of Kentucky softball (High School) is a behind. It is getting there but it is probably 5 years behind.

Agree with that, but they knew she would be playing in those tournaments and they would be able to evaluate her there. Here is my example for you and I am taking it too an extreme for effect. If the 2b at Cooper High School starts the season 28-30 with 25 home runs do you think these div. 1 coaches are going to ignore that because it was in KY high school softball games? I don't think so. These coaches knew who Kirsten was, the summer team just made the recruiting much easier. You aren't going to see college coaches at high school games. It is impossible to be in Norman OK or some other big-12 venue and Union KY at the same time. I understand the whole summer big tournament recruiting that is the norm now. Doesn't mean I like it, seems to eliminate a lot of very good players that are not willing or able to make that kind of commitment. That is one reason why the KHSAA has eased the rules for high schools.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

Agree with that, but they knew she would be playing in those tournaments and they would be able to evaluate her there. Here is my example for you and I am taking it too an extreme for effect. If the 2b at Cooper High School starts the season 28-30 with 25 home runs do you think these div. 1 coaches are going to ignore that because it was in KY high school softball games? I don't think so. These coaches knew who Kirsten was, the summer team just made the recruiting much easier. You aren't going to see college coaches at high school games. It is impossible to be in Norman OK or some other big-12 venue and Union KY at the same time. I understand the whole summer big tournament recruiting that is the norm now. Doesn't mean I like it, seems to eliminate a lot of very good players that are not willing or able to make that kind of commitment. That is one reason why the KHSAA has eased the rules for high schools.

Good point, but the commitment to play ball in college in most cases is a greater commitment than doing the travel ball circuit, therefore I would be willing to bet that most college coaches are not particularly interested in kids/parents that won't make the commitment to play travel ball. Due to limited resources and scholarship money available for softball at the college level, coaches are looking for more than just physical talent, especially at the highest levels. Softball and baseball coaches at the college level cannot take the same type of chances on kids that basketball/football coaches can.

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

Agree with that, but they knew she would be playing in those tournaments and they would be able to evaluate her there. Here is my example for you and I am taking it too an extreme for effect. If the 2b at Cooper High School starts the season 28-30 with 25 home runs do you think these div. 1 coaches are going to ignore that because it was in KY high school softball games? I don't think so. These coaches knew who Kirsten was, the summer team just made the recruiting much easier. You aren't going to see college coaches at high school games. It is impossible to be in Norman OK or some other big-12 venue and Union KY at the same time. I understand the whole summer big tournament recruiting that is the norm now. Doesn't mean I like it, seems to eliminate a lot of very good players that are not willing or able to make that kind of commitment. That is one reason why the KHSAA has eased the rules for high schools.

Lauren Willett from Cooper would love to start the season off with these numbers!

Originally Posted by nkysoftball

Agree with that, but they knew she would be playing in those tournaments and they would be able to evaluate her there. Here is my example for you and I am taking it too an extreme for effect. If the 2b at Cooper High School starts the season 28-30 with 25 home runs do you think these div. 1 coaches are going to ignore that because it was in KY high school softball games? I don't think so. These coaches knew who Kirsten was, the summer team just made the recruiting much easier. You aren't going to see college coaches at high school games. It is impossible to be in Norman OK or some other big-12 venue and Union KY at the same time. I understand the whole summer big tournament recruiting that is the norm now. Doesn't mean I like it, seems to eliminate a lot of very good players that are not willing or able to make that kind of commitment. That is one reason why the KHSAA has eased the rules for high schools.

Again tend to disagree, 2 years ago during my daughter's prime recruiting time she hit .603 with 9 homers in 68 ab's. Not quite the numbers you were talking about but I would think they were pretty good. Not only did no college coaches notice, no NKY coaches noticed either. She did not get any thing as far as awards from NKY. I believe 2 of those homers were against your team.

Originally Posted by SSC

Again tend to disagree, 2 years ago during my daughter's prime recruiting time she hit .603 with 9 homers in 68 ab's. Not quite the numbers you were talking about but I would think they were pretty good. Not only did no college coaches notice, no NKY coaches noticed either. She did not get any thing as far as awards from NKY. I believe 2 of those homers were against your team.

I would blame that on her high school coach. If any kid is doing that well then the coach IMO has the responsibility to promote that kid a lot more. It is very sad that she did not get any recognition or receive any awards. She definitely deserved it.

Originally Posted by Porky

I would blame that on her high school coach. If any kid is doing that well then the coach IMO has the responsibility to promote that kid a lot more. It is very sad that she did not get any recognition or receive any awards. She definitely deserved it.

Agree but was just trying to make a point that if NKY coaches don't notice then its going to be real hard for colleges coaches to.

Originally Posted by Porky

I would blame that on her high school coach. If any kid is doing that well then the coach IMO has the responsibility to promote that kid a lot more. It is very sad that she did not get any recognition or receive any awards. She definitely deserved it.

Should not have to promote too much in a small geographical area like the 9th Region/NKY.