Holmes 55 Holy Cross 48 2OT

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCC9 View Post
    I look at it a little different. I think the bigger court actually hurts them. You still play them in a zone, so they have to come to you to score. And even if you have to go to man, the court isn't really any bigger because you don't have to guard them way out there. So essentially the court is the same size when they are on offense because you don't have to stretch you defense to guard them.

    Also keep in mind it's 10 feet longer. They only play about 6 kids.

    Also, they rely on turnovers on defense a lot. That typically means that they actually prefer a smaller court because it's harder for the other team to find space. Would you be more effective trapping someone on a football field or a Bball court? It's much easier to trap someone in a more confined space. The bigger court allows good ball handling teams to stretch the defense. Teams that can spread you out and shoot have a advantage in my opinion.

    Whenever you have a group of teams, someone is always the favorite. I agree Holmes then Ryle for now. I'm just saying their isn't as much of a gap between 1 and let's say 6 as we've seen in the past. It will be all about the draw and the match ups. I know HHS and HC can beat either one of they play to their potential.
    I see your point to a degree, when Holmes gets defensive rebounds they are off and running and there isn't a team that can run with then in the region they are to fast. Holmes can get you down by 10+ in a hurry and for teams to play slow down at that point it will be hard to come back from. I get your point when playing them zone they still get to the rim and have some girls who can shoot from the outside, although its about match up I agree but they are a very difficult match for anyone.

    I believe their press will still be affective on the big floor because you will have to make longer passes which means the ball is in the air for a longer period of time.

    As for your comment about HHS and HC can beat either one if they play to their potential, couldn't you say that about NCC, ND or a Conner. NCC lost to Highlands by 1 in which HHS only had 3 fouls the whole game and HHS had about 15 points from the free throw line and I am not saying that the refs determined that game just making a point. Also NCC beat HC and yes that was then and this is now but again making a point.
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    It's all about match ups. NCC matches up well with HC and not with Holmes. HHS matches up well with Holmes but not HC. ND matches up well with Ryle but not NCC. You could go on and on. Team strengths vs team weakness. The draw for the region will be bigger than ever this year.

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    With the right draw 4-5 teams could make the finals. With the wrong draws its a two horse race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAP View Post
    I see your point to a degree, when Holmes gets defensive rebounds they are off and running and there isn't a team that can run with then in the region they are to fast. Holmes can get you down by 10+ in a hurry and for teams to play slow down at that point it will be hard to come back from. I get your point when playing them zone they still get to the rim and have some girls who can shoot from the outside, although its about match up I agree but they are a very difficult match for anyone.

    I believe their press will still be affective on the big floor because you will have to make longer passes which means the ball is in the air for a longer period of time.

    As for your comment about HHS and HC can beat either one if they play to their potential, couldn't you say that about NCC, ND or a Conner. NCC lost to Highlands by 1 in which HHS only had 3 fouls the whole game and HHS had about 15 points from the free throw line and I am not saying that the refs determined that game just making a point. Also NCC beat HC and yes that was then and this is now but again making a point.
    To your last point...absolutely. That's why I feel it's pretty open and more balanced than what others feel it is. I said 1-6. So I guess it's who you fill in 1-6.

    As far as the NCC game with HHS. I know they had 3 in the second half so you're saying they had none in the first? I really have no idea. But I said it back then and now, just about everyone we play says the same thing about the fouls. So either the refs across multiple regions just love them or they actually work on defending without fouling. Many times once a kid gets to the basket, you will here "don't foul" from the bench. They do not want to put you on the line and teach when to be aggressive and when not to. However, they have been much more aggressive lately.

    Did HHS have everyone in that game. I think Hansen started that game and she only starts when regular starters are out. But I can't remember that far back. Regardless, I have said many times I like this NCC team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCC9 View Post
    Just my opinion! They may have a good record, but they haven't dominated all the teams in the region by any means. Holy cross showed they can play with them and so has HHS. And HHS is back to playing much better. Add ND and NCC as capable teams that can beat them on any given night and you have a region that is more open than it has been in a long time.
    Well either HC or ND will be watching the region from the stands since they play each other in the districts.

    From everything I have read this season I would say Holmes is the favorite and the region is not so wide open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger1 View Post
    Well either HC or ND will be watching the region from the stands since they play each other in the districts.

    From everything I have read this season I would say Holmes is the favorite and the region is not so wide open.
    Yep. They will. But you can't eliminate them from the discussion until they are officially eliminated, right?

    I think Holmes, NCC, HHS, Ryle, Conner, HC, ND all have a decent chance based on the draw. When is the last time that many teams have had a ligitimate chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCC9 View Post
    Yep. They will. But you can't eliminate them from the discussion until they are officially eliminated, right?

    I think Holmes, NCC, HHS, Ryle, Conner, HC, ND all have a decent chance based on the draw. When is the last time that many teams have had a ligitimate chance.
    Good point about not being eliminated until being eliminated regarding HC or ND.

    But now I see Conner is added to the list of contenders which makes 7 teams. You maybe right but I believe most people feel this a two team race between Holmes and Ryle. But hey, this all becomes a closed case in a few weeks after the regional.

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    in last night's game, McClendin missed 2 big FTs in 2OT that would have tied the game. But, she goes 0 - 2, Holmes is fouled, and makes it a 3pt game with 1 min left. Beal launches an airball, Holmes scores again, and the game was basically over.

    I will say that HC players whine more on the court to officials than other teams I have watched. They complain on every foul they commit. How about closing their mouths, and just play. Stop talking to officials and play. I am not sure why officials allow the players to whine and demonstratively display frustration with calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger1 View Post
    Good point about not being eliminated until being eliminated regarding HC or ND.

    But now I see Conner is added to the list of contenders which makes 7 teams. You maybe right but I believe most people feel this a two team race between Holmes and Ryle. But hey, this all becomes a closed case in a few weeks after the regional.
    I know what most people are thinking. I'm saying I'm not ready to crown them champs just yet. And there are many reasons why. Coaching, regional pressure, matchups, teams playing better now, draw, etc.

    I will root my tail off for whoever wins. Just don't think it's gonna be as easy as several think.

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    the 9th has a lot of parity. The reality is that someone will win the tournament. If you played it 10 times in a row you might have 4 or 5 different winners. The team that wins it won't necessarily be the best team, but it will be the team that survives the mine field a couple of weeks from now and that's what makes one and done postseason play so exciting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCC9 View Post
    To your last point...absolutely. That's why I feel it's pretty open and more balanced than what others feel it is. I said 1-6. So I guess it's who you fill in 1-6.

    As far as the NCC game with HHS. I know they had 3 in the second half so you're saying they had none in the first? I really have no idea. But I said it back then and now, just about everyone we play says the same thing about the fouls. So either the refs across multiple regions just love them or they actually work on defending without fouling. Many times once a kid gets to the basket, you will here "don't foul" from the bench. They do not want to put you on the line and teach when to be aggressive and when not to. However, they have been much more aggressive lately.

    Did HHS have everyone in that game. I think Hansen started that game and she only starts when regular starters are out. But I can't remember that far back. Regardless, I have said many times I like this NCC team.
    That game HHS had 3 total for the game 1 in the first half and 2 in the second and HHS is a very good free throw shooting team. I understand what they teach but they do contest shots and no one is that good on defense, LOL.

    I believe everyone was back at that time but don't remember the starters. I hope your right because if you are someone is getting upset in the regional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABBPlayer View Post
    in last night's game, McClendin missed 2 big FTs in 2OT that would have tied the game. But, she goes 0 - 2, Holmes is fouled, and makes it a 3pt game with 1 min left. Beal launches an airball, Holmes scores again, and the game was basically over.

    I will say that HC players whine more on the court to officials than other teams I have watched. They complain on every foul they commit. How about closing their mouths, and just play. Stop talking to officials and play. I am not sure why officials allow the players to whine and demonstratively display frustration with calls.

    LOL... YEP. That's the whole game in a nutshell with 2Ot..lol....Two players missing shots with a minute left and some players whining..hahaha!!! I don't speak your language so I'm missing your point.. I didnt see either of those two players EVER speaking to court officials... And if memory serves me correct, didn't HC have possession after the above-mentioned missed buckets?!?? What happened?? How did Holmes get the ball back to get those two FT?? Certainly missed shots did not send them to foul line. Lolol.

    Tell me this, what other team in the district/region went into OT with Holmes this year??!..Say what you will. Sounds like someone was playing the game to come back from -19 to double OT.. Sorry all you saw was 2 missed FT and an airball.....Lol at you!!...

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    Did you just there at game end or where you there the entire time? I am just curious because you pull out OT plays which suggests to me that you missed the game. Did you miss the dive on the floor by Beal that acquired a valuble possession during the comeback run? Did you miss the 2 FTs by McClendon that sent the game into the first OT? Just wondering curious minds want to know. Whining to the refs, oh my, did you miss that going into the 4th quarter the fouls were 9 HC and 3 Holmes. Now tell me with there aggressive play, how did they only have 3 fouls? Again just curious minds want to know. Oh, by the way, I saw more demonstrative whining by Holmes players to the refs then HC. However, the refs are the refs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2thepaint View Post
    LOL... YEP. That's the whole game in a nutshell with 2Ot..lol....Two players missing shots with a minute left and some players whining..hahaha!!! I don't speak your language so I'm missing your point.. I didnt see either of those two players EVER speaking to court officials... And if memory serves me correct, didn't HC have possession after the above-mentioned missed buckets?!?? What happened?? How did Holmes get the ball back to get those two FT?? Certainly missed shots did not send them to foul line. Lolol.

    Tell me this, what other team in the district/region went into OT with Holmes this year??!..Say what you will. Sounds like someone was playing the game to come back from -19 to double OT.. Sorry all you saw was 2 missed FT and an airball.....Lol at you!!...
    I am talking about "winning" time...I am not givng you a play by play for the entire game. At winning time, she had a chance to tie the score. She missed 2 FTs. She shoots 55% from the line, so missing 2 wasn't a surprise. I am not commenting on anything except the fact that when HC was down 3 in OT, Beal shot an airball on a 3. When Holmes rebounded it, the ball game was basically over.

    And they, as a team whine alot to officials. But in this generation, kids know alot more than the officials. I suggest that they just close their mouth and play. Stop complaining on every call.

    And, I didn't call out any specific whiny HC player. But, if you are a fan, or have watched them play, you know who I am most likely talking about.

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    I didn't give you play by play as well. If you wereally actually talking about winning time then you would have given an account of both OTs. Additionally I didn't mention an players names as well just that Holmes was whining through out. Now no one on either side tried to show up the refs. However on some of those calls on both sides of the ball, the refs should have hung up their whistles.

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