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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    I know almost nothing about girls basketball players being recruited in Kentucky, but I would have guessed that Sydney Moss was the most highly recruited player in Kentucky in recent years. Are the players we are talking about here more highly-recruited than Moss was?
    Moss was recruited heavily for sure. She committed pretty quick so that took some offers she probably would have gotten away.

    Scherr probably already has more offers than Moss did, not saying she is better or worse. She is a major Power 5 player that can beat you many different ways, which is what makes her a special player.

    Boley was the most heavily recruited at this point, but only because she had a UCONN offer. Scherr has all the rest basically. Both are great kids with great support systems.

    Another player that has proven herself at the highest level is Scherr's team mate, Lauren Schwartz. She has or will be picking up offers from Wake Forrest and Vanderbilt. North Carolina State also has a ton of interest in her also as well as Arizona State( both of which Scherr holds offers from). So Ryle looks like they will one of the pre season favorites.

    Another 2020 who has not been discussed is Erin Toller of Sacred Heart. She holds offers from Tennessee like Scherr, as well as several others. Sidelined this past summer with a ACL or she would have alot more offers. Kid is a bulldog. Cant wait to get her back as I am sure Donna cant either.
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    If you're basing a list on college potential and don't have Maddie Scherr #1 then you are either A. Can't evaluate talent or B. Haven't seen her play. But that's just the beginning of the issue with the list of players Bolus puts out. Bolus doesn't see these kids play enough to make a judgement. Bolus might have been relevant 10+ years ago when these kids didn't get the exposure they do now, but Kentucky Premier has changed the game for kids in this state. There are tons of other organizations that also provide kids an opportunity well beyond getting on this list Bolus puts out.

    Maddie Scherr has those offers because her college potential is well above any of the others on the list. The same could be said for kids like Erin Boley, Makayla Epps, Rebecca Greenwell, etc. Kentucky Premier (or any AAU organization) don't get kids "offers." The player EARNS them. The organization provides the platform for that kid to be seen. The Nike GEYBL is a platform the right now is unmatched for those top level division 1 recruits. That doesn't mean that top level division 1 players don't play elsewhere, a lot certainly do, but the GEYBL puts those players in front of the most and biggest coaches on a consistent basis.

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    Off subject, but KY Premier is the best!!!!!

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    A little Indiana flavor for you guys....look at Nolans mom response....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Mitchell View Post
    A few observations of my own:

    If you haven’t heard of Louisville Christian Academy, and presumably it’s best player, you probably should refrain from critical comments about the propriety of this or any other list, or any of the players or organizations. Ignorance is ignorance in this instance; it is difficult to win an argument using the “I’m ignorant, but you’re more ignorant” tact. I would stick with facts and positive opinions.

    Second, your cherry picking of facts reflects your bias and agenda. #3 girl is going to wind up being the most highly recruited girl to ever come out of Kentucky. Concluding that that is the case because of who she plays AAU for is unfair to her and her family, and it’s unfair to the other girls and organizations represented. The biggest flaw in your reasoning with respect to the “HUGE” difference the organization makes is, if you remove #3 from the calculus, the dozens of other 2020s that play for that organization are not as highly ranked and do not hold those kinds of offers. For that matter, none of the seniors on the list hold those kinds of offers either. The aberration in this analysis is player #3, not the organization she plays for. Now having said that, the fact that she has been the featured talent in the organization has certainly helped her exposure, but your conclusion that she got all those offers because of who she plays AAU for doesn’t explain why the other girls in that organization (or boys, for that matter) don’t have the same kind of offers or rankings.

    You spin your facts to suit your agenda, but I can do the same thing to suit my agenda. The only consistent theme among those top 3 players, all 2020s, is that they all played for the Kentucky Royals at some point. And given that the Kentucky Royals are 19-1 all time against your organization, it’s not surprising that there is a consistent, continuing and pervasive effort by that organization to recruit Kentucky Royal players to leave and join that organization. It has worked in the past, and a number of players have, in fact, left, including #3, but all the others that have left have not enjoyed the “HUGE” difference benefits you imply result from playing for that organization.

    Finally, the Royals and #2 have accorded themselves well against many of the top 2020 teams and players in the country, and are absolutely on the high D1 radar. Choose to believe that or not, but the fact that your organization continues to recruit those players is well known and implicitly corroborates Bolus’s rankings, including that of #2.

    I might suggest waiting until next summer, when all the 2020s are playing in the same tournaments, to assess the accuracy of Bolus’s rankings, or any others, and the relative merits of playing for one organization or another.

    I don’t know how well read you are statistically, and I am not suggesting they are determinative of a player’s ability, necessarily, but #1 and #2 on Bolus’s list have the biggest stats on this list; perhaps that entered into his calculations. I do not know. All I know is that it was my position 5 years ago that one of the Kentucky Royals, including the top 3 on Bolus’s list, would be Ms. Basketball in 2020, and I still feel pretty good about that prediction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Mitchell View Post
    A few observations of my own:

    If you haven’t heard of Louisville Christian Academy, and presumably it’s best player, you probably should refrain from critical comments about the propriety of this or any other list, or any of the players or organizations. Ignorance is ignorance in this instance; it is difficult to win an argument using the “I’m ignorant, but you’re more ignorant” tact. I would stick with facts and positive opinions.

    Second, your cherry picking of facts reflects your bias and agenda. #3 girl is going to wind up being the most highly recruited girl to ever come out of Kentucky. Concluding that that is the case because of who she plays AAU for is unfair to her and her family, and it’s unfair to the other girls and organizations represented. The biggest flaw in your reasoning with respect to the “HUGE” difference the organization makes is, if you remove #3 from the calculus, the dozens of other 2020s that play for that organization are not as highly ranked and do not hold those kinds of offers. For that matter, none of the seniors on the list hold those kinds of offers either. The aberration in this analysis is player #3, not the organization she plays for. Now having said that, the fact that she has been the featured talent in the organization has certainly helped her exposure, but your conclusion that she got all those offers because of who she plays AAU for doesn’t explain why the other girls in that organization (or boys, for that matter) don’t have the same kind of offers or rankings.

    You spin your facts to suit your agenda, but I can do the same thing to suit my agenda. The only consistent theme among those top 3 players, all 2020s, is that they all played for the Kentucky Royals at some point. And given that the Kentucky Royals are 19-1 all time against your organization, it’s not surprising that there is a consistent, continuing and pervasive effort by that organization to recruit Kentucky Royal players to leave and join that organization. It has worked in the past, and a number of players have, in fact, left, including #3, but all the others that have left have not enjoyed the “HUGE” difference benefits you imply result from playing for that organization.

    Finally, the Royals and #2 have accorded themselves well against many of the top 2020 teams and players in the country, and are absolutely on the high D1 radar. Choose to believe that or not, but the fact that your organization continues to recruit those players is well known and implicitly corroborates Bolus’s rankings, including that of #2.

    I might suggest waiting until next summer, when all the 2020s are playing in the same tournaments, to assess the accuracy of Bolus’s rankings, or any others, and the relative merits of playing for one organization or another.

    I don’t know how well read you are statistically, and I am not suggesting they are determinative of a player’s ability, necessarily, but #1 and #2 on Bolus’s list have the biggest stats on this list; perhaps that entered into his calculations. I do not know. All I know is that it was my position 5 years ago that one of the Kentucky Royals, including the top 3 on Bolus’s list, would be Ms. Basketball in 2020, and I still feel pretty good about that prediction.
    Going for the world record length post here. Since the KYP people are too respectful to respond, I will. I absolutely believe KYP offers the best opportunities for girls to get the best college offers possible at all levels. Kentucky Premier is one of the top organizations in the country. Just by the fact that the director and all the coaches that work with the organization refuse to respond to your bitterness is evidence enough of their character. My daughter played with KYP and I know the ins and outs of exposure basketball well.

    To begin, your opening statement is unfairly contradictory. First you use strong language and condemn the poster as “ignorant” (like he/she is not allowed to have an opinion because they don’t know who CAL is) and then despite your continued bashing of KYP over your next several paragraphs you say “stick to the facts and positive opinions”.

    Your next paragraph tries to state that Scherr is an “aberration in this analysis” so therefore KYP does not make a “HUGE” difference in college offers. So we will leave defining “HUGE” to the readers as we look at the “facts” as you say.

    Bolus list. Here are facts, this will be fun. I will include only posted offers since we all know that letters or even phone calls mean very little until an offer is there. I’m sure not all the info is exactly correct but I did my best.

    Shelby Calhoun – Nike EYBL Gym Rats. 8-10 D1 offers, best offers are OSU, NC State, Kentucky
    Kendall Wingler – KY Royals. 3-4 NAIA/D2 offers, 2 low D1 offers. Best offer Evansville (0-18 in MVC)
    Maddie Scherr – KYP EYBL. 20-25 offers, best offers are Louisville, Oregon and Tennessee
    Emma King – KYP EYBL. Committed to Kentucky
    Hailey Harrison – KYP (non-EYBL). Committed Tennessee Martin (2nd in OVC, NIT berth)
    Nila Blackford - Indy Gym Rats EYBL. 4-6 Mid Major offers, best offers UTEP and Marshall
    Aaliyah Hampton – KYP (non-EYBL). Has at least one offer but unable to determine details
    Jada Higgins – KYP (non-EYBL). Committed to EKU (OVC team)
    Cameron Browning – KYP EYBL, committed to Belmont (31-4 record, 3 straight NCAA appearances)
    Maaliyah Owens – KYP EYBL. 9-10 D1 offers. Best offers are Middle Tennessee and Morehead State
    Whitney Hay – KYP 2nd team EYBL. 3-4 D1 offers. Best offers NKU and Indiana State
    Savannah Wheeler – West Virginia Thunder 2019. Committed to Marshall
    Malea Williams – KYP 2nd team EYBL. 5-6 D1 offers. Best offer top 25 Georgia
    Ta’Ziah Jenks – West Virginia Thunder 2020. 6-7 D1 offers. Best offers WKU and Xavier
    Mikayla Kinnard – Indy Gym Rats EYBL. 5-6 D1 offers. Best offers Toledo and EKU
    Kennedy Igo – KYP EYBL. 6-7 D1 offers. Best offers are Louisville and Kentucky
    Ivy Turner – Team Slink 2019. No offers or unable to determine any offers.
    Destyne Jackson. Overtime Performance 2019. Offers to EKU and Morehead State
    Lauren Schwartz – KYP EYBL. 7-8 D1 offers. Best offers Belmont and NKU
    Jasmine Elder – All Ohio EYBL. 4-5 D1 offers. Best offers are Cincinnati and Toledo
    Erin Toller – KYP EYBL. 6-7 offers. Best offers are Tennessee and Kentucky
    MacKenzie Keelin – Sky Diggs Elite. 3-4 D1 offers. Best offers are EKU and Tennessee Tech
    Kaitlyn Wilks – Central KY Sparx. Committed to Travecca Nazzerene (D2)
    Sarah Beth Clemons – Kentucky Clutch. No offers or unable to determine any offers.
    Maddie Burcham – KYP (non EYBL). NAIA/D2 offers

    Other notable KYP players from Bolus list since we’re comparing AAU programs…
    Cassidy Rowe – KYP 2nd team EYBL. Committed to Kentucky
    Ally Collett - KYP 2nd team EYBL. 7-8 D1 offers. Best offers are NKU and WKU
    Sarah Sutton, KYP (non-EYBL). Committed to Murray State
    Jillian Hayes (a 2020), Ohio Bolus list. KYP EYBL – 8-9 D1 offers. Best offers are Middle Tenn and Xavier
    Kaiya Wynn (a 2021), Tenn Bolus list. KYP EYBL – 6-7 D1 offers. Best offers are Kentucky and WKU

    Other notable KY Royals players on Bolus list….
    Lexi Taylor, KY Royals. 1 NAIA offer from Georgetown


    - In these 30 players there are 18 players that play for KYP. Of those 18 players, 17 have either committed or have offers from at least one D1 school. And every single one has better D1 offers than Evansville.
    - There are 4 girls in other programs that play at the EYBL level as well, all 4 have multiple D1 offers.
    - There are 8 girls that have offers from a college in one of the Power Five conferences (Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC and SEC). 7 of these 8 play for KYP. One plays for another EYBL program.
    - Of these 30 girls, 5 girls have no D1 offers. 4 of these 5 DO NOT play KYP.

    If you use Bolus top 13 girls for comparison you will see that its not girl #3 that’s an aberration but girl #2. And even if you take out Scherr (as you propose needs to happen), you have 11 other girls with mid to high D1 offers better than Evansville. 8 of the 11 play KYP (2 of which have a Power Five offer). Only “KY Royals colored glasses” would keep someone from seeing this aberration.

    If that’s not enough, in the 2018 class there were 33 girls that played for KYP that are now playing college ball somewhere. Here is that list Kentucky Premier Alumni

    For clarity, this is not a bash on other exposure programs. Clearly other EYBL programs and programs like WV Thunder, Team Slink, OTP, KY Sparx and KY Royals can provide a great opportunity for girls to both play in a good environment and have possible scholarship opportunities. And many non-shoe company programs like WV Thunder have elevated themselves to national levels and are great places for girls.

    SOOO… lets let others decide how big the difference is (HUGE or not) between playing on the platform that Kentucky Premier (and other EYBL teams) provides or not.



    As to your other comments. Just bringing up that Scherr and Calhoun played for the Royals is completely irrelevant and betrays personal issues with this stuff. Many girls, probably most girls do not continue with the same team/organization they played with in the 3rd-5th grade.

    To insinuate or state that these girls were “recruited” by KYP is truly a false statement since Scherr came from the Shining Stars and Calhoun from Sky Diggs to EYBL. So who was “recruited away”? Jillian Hayes this past season? I heard the story of how she ended up with KYP and it wasn’t “recruited” for sure. As a case in point though how could you be anything but happy for Miss Hayes? Since she started with KYP she has gotten 8-9 D1 offers. Seems like she is “benefitting from the result of playing KYP”. So what girl that’s left the KY Royals for KYP is “not enjoying the benefits”? I couldn’t find KY Royals rosters from the past but Maggie Jones has offers, the girl from Southwestern has offers. So who “was recruited away and not enjoying the benefits of KYP”?

    Stating your record vs KYP is so silly, there are many KYP teams out there, and they don’t have tryouts, anyone can play on a KYP team. That’s like saying your AAU team is 19-1 versus rec teams. What’s the Royals record vs KYP top EYBL teams? Prob 0-0 since the EYBL teams usually play only other EYBL teams.

    So your statement “we’ll see next year” is unrealistic also. Last season KYP EYBL teams played in 6 tourneys. 3 of which were EYBL only. So unless you happen to play in one of the same 3 tourneys that aren’t EYBL they play in AND your team is entered in the Diamond/Platinum division which they likely wouldn’t be AND you happen to be in the same pool.... odds are you won’t play the KYP EYBL next summer.

    HOWEVER, even if the KY Royals got to play KYP EYBL and for some odd chance the KY Royals won, you know who would care? No one. Because the KYP coaches know its about getting the girls exposure and no one cares about winning like the old AAU teams. Only the ego maniac coaches who need their egos elevated care about winning like that in exposure basketball. Not a single college coach cares whether the KY Royals are good (19-1) or not, it will gain zero scholarship offers for the girls.

    Lastly and most importantly, although I am disagreeing with your “observations”, I am hopeful for the KY Royals girls as you are. As you mention, next summer, hopefully some KY Royals girls get some good offers. I am by no means against the girls or think they don’t deserve D1 scholarship offers. Many of them are good enough to play in college for sure. There are some good players on the KY Royals and I wish them success with their recruiting. But IN MY OPINION (and I think the FACTS support this), they would have a better chance with a KYP team to get the most/best possible offers.

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