Will Cooper and Conner voluntarily request to play up into 6A again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Let's move up to 6A (pun intended). Never in the history of either Conner or Cooper would they have had a realistic shot to win 6A (or 4A in the past for Conner). I will go further and say in recent 6A action Cooper and Conner not only never had a shot to win 6A, they couldn't get past Ryle or Simon or Scott County, etc. to even get the chance to get running clocked by someone like Trinity, St. Xavier, or Male. In other words, Cooper or Conner are NOT going to be making multiple trips deep in the 6A playoffs. Add to that the new proposed seeding of the playoffs in the semi-finals would almost assuredly mean that if Conner or Cooper were good enough and lucky enough to advance to the 6A semi-finals they would end up on the road at Trinity or on the road at some other large school world beater.
    I think everyone knows your thoughts on Cooper and Conner in 6A. You have been clear on that the last 3 years on here, with what you thought their chances were in 6A. However I am curious to see what your thoughts are on Ryle in terms of being able to compete or truly be considered a big dog in 6A? As much as you have stated a team like Cooper shouldn't be in 6A. A team like Ryle has had 3 very talented teams the last 3 years and people definitely try to talk them up. But yet they have had literally the exact same results as Cooper in 6A the last 3 years. Both schools have lost in the regional championship, the second round, and the 1st round in the last three years. Yet some how I keep seeing comments by people on here basically putting Ryle on a pedestal compared to the other Boone County teams. Your comment of saying those teams couldn't get past a Ryle. When Cooper did win the district its first year in 6A and beat Ryle and went further than Ryle. Then as mentioned the overall playoff success is literally the exact same. So I am just curious of your thoughts on Ryle and where it stands in 6A? Since we know you don't think Cooper or Conner can compete very seriously in 6A.

    As for this thread as I mentioned last night. The thread asked will Cooper or Conner volunteer to play up. I answered that last night with a direct answer from talking to Borchers, and that is Cooper is not asking to move up and will be 5A. So IMO hasn't the question of this thread been answered then? Seems to me now people are just throwing things out now. Even though the original question has now been answered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    I think everyone knows your thoughts on Cooper and Conner in 6A. You have been clear on that the last 3 years on here, with what you thought their chances were in 6A. However I am curious to see what your thoughts are on Ryle in terms of being able to compete or truly be considered a big dog in 6A? As much as you have stated a team like Cooper shouldn't be in 6A. A team like Ryle has had 3 very talented teams the last 3 years and people definitely try to talk them up. But yet they have had literally the exact same results as Cooper in 6A the last 3 years. Both schools have lost in the regional championship, the second round, and the 1st round in the last three years. Yet some how I keep seeing comments by people on here basically putting Ryle on a pedestal compared to the other Boone County teams. Your comment of saying those teams couldn't get past a Ryle. When Cooper did win the district its first year in 6A and beat Ryle and went further than Ryle. Then as mentioned the overall playoff success is literally the exact same. So I am just curious of your thoughts on Ryle and where it stands in 6A? Since we know you don't think Cooper or Conner can compete very seriously in 6A.

    As for this thread as I mentioned last night. The thread asked will Cooper or Conner volunteer to play up. I answered that last night with a direct answer from talking to Borchers, and that is Cooper is not asking to move up and will be 5A. So IMO hasn't the question of this thread been answered then? Seems to me now people are just throwing things out now. Even though the original question has now been answered.
    For purposes of this thread, Ryle's status in 6A is nearly meaningless.

    But since you asked... Ryle is even more proof of why teams like Conner and Cooper should not be playing up into 6A. Cooper, Conner, and Ryle are all very similar, same County, same school system, similar football programs, and on and on and on. Only Ryle by enrollment has more jimmies and joes than Cooper and Conner and like you said Ryle isn't having much success either. Or put another way, the winners here are Conner, Cooper, and Boone if they play in 5A where they belong because Ryle is proof it ain't happening in 6A for the Boone County Schools even when you have more resources.

    On your other question, I will repeat myself from Post #55, there is nothing official to indicate that anything is a "sure thing" yet.

    Additionally, to repeat myself from Post #51, now we have Coach Borchers floating the idea that the Boone County BOE may intervene for the 2019-2022 seasons.

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    My son, who graduated from Ryle after their undefeated season was 5-0 against CCH and 3-0 against Highlands in his career. I don't think anyone in Boone County is afraid of anyone. They may have down years like any public school but the kids out here are not afraid to square up against anyone.

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    For the purposes of football only, Ryle is NOT similar to any other program in Boone County. In grades K-8, they have 3x's as many kids in their football feeder programs as Cooper, Conner and Boone. In fact, I would be willing to guess that Ryle has more kids playing pee-wee football than the other three schools combined. To be clear, I have no problem with this and am glad to see successful programs and kids wanting to play. But, the BOE, central office or whoever it may be should recognize the disparity and not force the other schools to play up just for the sake of having all the county schools in one division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Graham View Post
    For the purposes of football only, Ryle is NOT similar to any other program in Boone County. In grades K-8, they have 3x's as many kids in their football feeder programs as Cooper, Conner and Boone. In fact, I would be willing to guess that Ryle has more kids playing pee-wee football than the other three schools combined. To be clear, I have no problem with this and am glad to see successful programs and kids wanting to play. But, the BOE, central office or whoever it may be should recognize the disparity and not force the other schools to play up just for the sake of having all the county schools in one division.
    They had enough for 2 teams at almost every youth age level.

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    I had someone contact me today and claim the Boone County Board of Education is considering forcing Boone, Conner, and Cooper to play up into 6A because of potential travel costs.

    I reminded that person travel would be a non-issue and using travel as an excuse is despicable.

    Lots of rumors floating around on this one...

    If the Boone County BOE wanted to take an active roll they would make it known in no uncertain terms that Conner and Cooper will play in 5A where they belong and Boone will opt out of district competition for the next four years in an attempt to salvage their disaster of a football program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Graham View Post
    For the purposes of football only, Ryle is NOT similar to any other program in Boone County. In grades K-8, they have 3x's as many kids in their football feeder programs as Cooper, Conner and Boone. In fact, I would be willing to guess that Ryle has more kids playing pee-wee football than the other three schools combined. To be clear, I have no problem with this and am glad to see successful programs and kids wanting to play. But, the BOE, central office or whoever it may be should recognize the disparity and not force the other schools to play up just for the sake of having all the county schools in one division.
    You are missing the point. Ryle is very similar to Conner and Cooper only Ryle has more infrastructure/players and that still isn't enough for Ryle to be competitive with the top 6A teams.

    Meaning, just as @James Graham pointed out, Cooper and Conner have no business playing up in 6A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I had someone contact me today and claim the Boone County Board of Education is considering forcing Boone, Conner, and Cooper to play up into 6A because of potential travel costs.

    I reminded that person travel would be a non-issue and using travel as an excuse is despicable.

    Lots of rumors floating around on this one...

    If the Boone County BOE wanted to take an active roll they would make it known in no uncertain terms that Conner and Cooper will play in 5A where they belong and Boone will opt out of district competition for the next four years in an attempt to salvage their disaster of a football program.
    Where are the Athletic Directors at it should be thier decision.

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    In response to the cost rumor I posted today, someone else sent me this:

    "The Boone BOE does not care what class the schools choose. Also, for someone to say that the reason the BOE would force a move up is because of travel costs, clearly has ZERO clue. The schools, school board, BOE, or central office pay NOTHING to cover travel costs for football teams or any other team/club in the county. That is why you do not see team buses for sports like you see with all the other school systems. Football takes a bus but they pay for it out of their own fundraising and gate receipts. Remember there are no athletic budgets in Boone County."

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    Cooper will be staying in 5A

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    In response to the cost rumor I posted today, someone else sent me this:

    "The Boone BOE does not care what class the schools choose. Also, for someone to say that the reason the BOE would force a move up is because of travel costs, clearly has ZERO clue. The schools, school board, BOE, or central office pay NOTHING to cover travel costs for football teams or any other team/club in the county. That is why you do not see team buses for sports like you see with all the other school systems. Football takes a bus but they pay for it out of their own fundraising and gate receipts. Remember there are no athletic budgets in Boone County."
    I know Boone County schools are not the only one's in this boat, but the last sentence says all you need to know about what sport's have to deal with in that system.

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    Whats Boone doing?

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    I had heard that Conner was looking to move up.

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    We appear to have an answer, both Conner and Cooper look like they will be playing in 5A.

    Good job Coach Borchers, good job Coach Trosper.

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