Why does Trinity stay in KHSAA?

Originally Posted by plantmanky

75 I agree Boyle is a good example. But please be careful, I just saw one of those left over fireworks shoot off from PP92 house all the way up here in NKY cause hes getting excited.

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Originally Posted by jolmstead

Was that before or after Highlands moved to 4A? I said better, not best.

The Boyle dynasty began in 2A football with Chuck Smith. They were bad before he got there and it took him 8 or so years to get it going. They won 3 straight championships and learned to win in 2A. They then moved to 3A and won 2 straight including 1 over Highlands and I think 1 over Rockcastle County. Boyle was the TEAM and made Highlands step up there game.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

And Bowling Green, Danville, Warren Central, Lexington Catholic, Bell County just off the top of my head. There are so many programs in this state with excellent programs. To define being a tremendous program by state championships alone is a disservice to kids and men and programs like these listed in these three posts who give up their blood, sweat and tears for the legacies they have left at their programs. And guess what.....some of these people at these schools have beaten Trinity, St. X, Highlands, CovCath and Beechwood for state championships. And they will again.

Danville, college town right? Lots of kids coming from educated families that already place a high value on education. With all due respect, as posters have already pointed out, academic and athletic success are linked. I'm not putting anybody down here, I'm just pointing out that its a different population.

The real challenge is to inspire youth that does not value education, or achievement in general, to do so.

My wife and I are both public school products. Our boys go to the same rural high school that my wife attended and is still the third all time scorer. Football is what motivated me to stay in class until I matured enough to value education. Between us , we have four undergraduate degrees and two advanced degrees. We have two sons in this school and they both have 3.5+ gpas because we make it our responsibility to educate them. We aspire to be examples to others because we remember what we came from.

Danville is a small town with a college in it. I wouldn't define Danville as a college town as Danville is not defined by Centre. Boyle County especially isn't. I am a transplant and moved to the area in 1998 and my oldest son graduated from Boyle County this year. I have been here for the state championship run and all I can say is that your generalizations about Boyle County are inaccurate. Very inaccurate. Hopefully Hatz will catch onto this thread and clear up some of your thoughts about Boyle County and Danville. I'll direct him to this thread.

Originally Posted by sml007

The Boyle dynasty began in 2A football with Chuck Smith. They were bad before he got there and it took him 8 or so years to get it going. They won 3 straight championships and learned to win in 2A. They then moved to 3A and won 2 straight including 1 over Highlands and I think 1 over Rockcastle County. Boyle was the TEAM and made Highlands step up there game.

Wrong. Boyle actually learned to win in AA with a District of Danville and Lexington Catholic. Smith arrived in '92 and by '96 Boyle had broken the string against the Ads and lost in the State Semi-Finals to 2 time winner Breathitt County (in the midst of a 42 game win streak). Next season the Rebels went undefeated and were ranked #1 in AA but lost in the 2nd round of the Playoffs. So they were more than learning, they were winning against some of the top programs in the state before Championship success.

Boyle won their first 2 titles in 2A (1999 and 2000). BTW, the 2000 team was probably the most talented of all the Boyle County Championship squads. To win the title they defeated Lexington Catholic twice each year for the only losses the Knights had in each year.

The Rebels moved to AAA in 2001 and proceeded to win that title for three consecutive years and reach the championship game as well in 2004.

I know it was jolmstead that was making his statement and not you sml007 but I wanted the record to show that Boyle could compete with anyone. So anything is possible.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Danville, college town right? Lots of kids coming from educated families that already place a high value on education. With all due respect, as posters have already pointed out, academic and athletic success are linked. I'm not putting anybody down here, I'm just pointing out that its a different population.

The real challenge is to inspire youth that does not value education, or achievement in general, to do so.

My wife and I are both public school products. Our boys go to the same rural high school that my wife attended and is still the third all time scorer. Football is what motivated me to stay in class until I matured enough to value education. Between us , we have four undergraduate degrees and two advanced degrees. We have two sons in this school and they both have 3.5+ gpas because we make it our responsibility to educate them. We aspire to be examples to others because we remember what we came from.

Like PP92 said, Danville isn't a college town in the way that Richmond is. It's a factory/agri-centered community. Small town Americana with some professionals setting up shop in the area as well.

The intriguing part of the Danville-Boyle County football programs is that they have been successful "At the Same Time." That's a rarity in many places. In fact in 2000, 2001 and 2003 both squads won their respective State Titles and Danville's only loss in all three years was to Boyle County. It's rare to see that excellence and tradition (17 state titles between them) within a couple of miles of each other in a town of 15,000 people.

Thanks, Hatz. I knew you'd clear that up a lot better than I could.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Danville, college town right? Lots of kids coming from educated families that already place a high value on education. With all due respect, as posters have already pointed out, academic and athletic success are linked. I'm not putting anybody down here, I'm just pointing out that its a different population.

The real challenge is to inspire youth that does not value education, or achievement in general, to do so.

My wife and I are both public school products. Our boys go to the same rural high school that my wife attended and is still the third all time scorer. Football is what motivated me to stay in class until I matured enough to value education. Between us , we have four undergraduate degrees and two advanced degrees. We have two sons in this school and they both have 3.5+ gpas because we make it our responsibility to educate them. We aspire to be examples to others because we remember what we came from.

For the love of God man, we get it. Can you please give that dead horse a nreak?

Originally Posted by sml007

The Boyle dynasty began in 2A football with Chuck Smith. They were bad before he got there and it took him 8 or so years to get it going. They won 3 straight championships and learned to win in 2A. They then moved to 3A and won 2 straight including 1 over Highlands and I think 1 over Rockcastle County. Boyle was the TEAM and made Highlands step up there game.

Originally Posted by Hatz

Wrong. Boyle actually learned to win in AA with a District of Danville and Lexington Catholic. Smith arrived in '92 and by '96 Boyle had broken the string against the Ads and lost in the State Semi-Finals to 2 time winner Breathitt County (in the midst of a 42 game win streak). Next season the Rebels went undefeated and were ranked #1 in AA but lost in the 2nd round of the Playoffs. So they were more than learning, they were winning against some of the top programs in the state before Championship success.

Boyle won their first 2 titles in 2A (1999 and 2000). BTW, the 2000 team was probably the most talented of all the Boyle County Championship squads. To win the title they defeated Lexington Catholic twice each year for the only losses the Knights had in each year.

The Rebels moved to AAA in 2001 and proceeded to win that title for three consecutive years and reach the championship game as well in 2004.

I know it was jolmstead that was making his statement and not you sml007 but I wanted the record to show that Boyle could compete with anyone. So anything is possible.

Isn't that what I said, "Dynasty began in 2A" won championships and moved to 3A and won championships? They made Highlands step up their game. Other than it taking Coach Smith 6 years instead of "8 or so years", where was I wrong? I was explaining that Boyle learned to win in 2A before they went to compete with teams like Highlands.

You should probably read the post.

Originally Posted by sml007

Isn't that what I said, "Dynasty began in 2A" won championships and moved to 3A and won championships? They made Highlands step up their game. Other than it taking Coach Smith 6 years instead of "8 or so years", where was I wrong? I was explaining that Boyle learned to win in 2A before they went to compete with teams like Highlands.

You should probably read the post.

Your years were a little off and quite frankly the bolded means little to the discussion.

Boyle competed fine with teams that were right there with Highlands long before they got to AAA in 2001. The classes (particularly in the 4A system) meant little then. Danville was as good or greater than larger teams in the 80's, 90's and 00's.

Maybe you should read the last line of my post that you quote.

Originally Posted by Hatz

Your years were a little off and quite frankly the bolded means little to the discussion.

Boyle competed fine with teams that were right there with Highlands long before they got to AAA in 2001. The classes (particularly in the 4A system) meant little then. Danville was as good or greater than larger teams in the 80's, 90's and 00's.

Maybe you should read the last line of my post that you quote.

It is not a big deal. Opening line of "Wrong" caught me off guard a bit.

Really though, LexCath beat Highlands for the first time ever in the 2004 playoffs. 2A football was by far the weakest level of football when in the 4 class system. We are speaking the same language when it comes to learning to win before beating the big boys. I believe some people think teams that have not been successful should be able to go beat the big boys if they "work harder". The truth of the matter is that the stars need to align a little bit to build a championship program.

IMO, right or wrong, had Boyle been in the 3A NKY against Highlands, CovCath, Ryle, Dixie, Conner, Holmes, and Scott from 1992 to 1998 while trying to build the program, I believe the Boyle program would not have been nearly as successful as they are now. They happened to get a great Coach with a great plan that got the kids to work, but also an ideal schedule in an ideal classification also allowed them to be successful.

Originally Posted by sml007

It is not a big deal. Opening line of "Wrong" caught me off guard a bit.

Really though, LexCath beat Highlands for the first time ever in the 2004 playoffs. 2A football was by far the weakest level of football when in the 4 class system. We are speaking the same language when it comes to learning to win before beating the big boys. I believe some people think teams that have not been successful should be able to go beat the big boys if they "work harder". The truth of the matter is that the stars need to align a little bit to build a championship program.

IMO, right or wrong, had Boyle been in the 3A NKY against Highlands, CovCath, Ryle, Dixie, Conner, Holmes, and Scott from 1992 to 1998 while trying to build the program, I believe the Boyle program would not have been nearly as successful as they are now. They happened to get a great Coach with a great plan that got the kids to work, but also an ideal schedule in an ideal classification also allowed them to be successful.

It would have been interesting. FWIW though, the three consecutive AAA winners were not as good as the last AA winner in 2000. The talent on that team was both young and deep as even the great HHS team that season. (I might add they were great even with a Sophomore Jacob Tamme out for the season after the fourth game of the year due to a broken leg) I guess I just took offense a little at the notion that Danville, Breathitt and Lex Cath weren't good enough competition as there was in 3A. Particularly when you consider Danville competed well in AAA until going to AA.

It's all good.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Ok then, send them to Grant County where half the population is addicted to Crystal Meth. I want to hear long term plan for building a Football Dynesty there!

You are just being silly with such a statement. Instead of acknowledging that you've made several false statements, you adding new ones to try and support past ones. Half of the population in Granty County is not addicted to meth. I know Grant County very, very well.

You might want to consider what Mueller accomplished at Withrow before you continue to spout your claim that the coaches at schools like T, Highlands, etc. could not be successful if they coached at inner city public programs. As successful as at T or Highlands, etc.? Probably not. It takes decades to build up the winning tradition and program found at those schools. But a great coaching staff can cause a big improvement in a short period of time.

Originally Posted by sml007

It is not a big deal. Opening line of "Wrong" caught me off guard a bit.

Really though, LexCath beat Highlands for the first time ever in the 2004 playoffs. 2A football was by far the weakest level of football when in the 4 class system. We are speaking the same language when it comes to learning to win before beating the big boys. I believe some people think teams that have not been successful should be able to go beat the big boys if they "work harder". The truth of the matter is that the stars need to align a little bit to build a championship program.

IMO, right or wrong, had Boyle been in the 3A NKY against Highlands, CovCath, Ryle, Dixie, Conner, Holmes, and Scott from 1992 to 1998 while trying to build the program, I believe the Boyle program would not have been nearly as successful as they are now. They happened to get a great Coach with a great plan that got the kids to work, but also an ideal schedule in an ideal classification also allowed them to be successful.

The year was actually 2005.