Why does Trinity stay in KHSAA?

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Because public schools are essentially a form of Government and the nature of Government in this country is to try and legislate and coerce fairness. That is why most public schools have defined bountries from which they can enroll student athletes. But if we had completely open borders, then what happens to programs in rural counties? Eventually , all of their athletes disaapear until finally the program ceases to exist.

Highlands is public and located in a small city with boundries.

Originally Posted by plantmanky

If you worked in KC Schools, you would understand why they stay in Ohio!

I wonder if an employee of Cincinnati Public Schools would agree with you! I will say this though, they (CPS) all have first rate football facilities, even when the classrooms are crumbling!

Originally Posted by Theoldguy

But the Government you are talking about, is the Local Board of Education and those are formed by local voters, who can demand if they so desire, that the BOE allows open enrollment in their Districts or not! It isn't a state mandate to only allow students who live in certain geography areas of a school district to attend certain schools like in Boone County but the Local School Boards!

Of course Kenton County allows open enrollment and since Kenton County borders Ohio, why aren't kids from Ohio flocking to the Kenton County Public Schools? I mean the KHSAA has no rule stopping them from going to Dixie, Scott or SK, so why aren't they attending those Kenton County Public Schools?

Also, just for reference, Kenton Co does allow open enrollment, but only to residents of Kenton Co, who would normally be district-ed to a Kenton Co School. Covington Independent, and Beechwood school district students who wish to attend a Kenton Co school, would have to apply, be accepted, and pay tuition or be granted reciprocal.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

I wonder if an employee of Cincinnati Public Schools would agree with you!

Many would, there are several very good schools in CPS District. There are also some duds as well. Just like Kenton Co, and everywhere else in KY and surrounding areas.

Originally Posted by RCC9

Highlands is public and located in a small city with boundries.

With alll respect the Birds, your not exactly educatimg disadvantaged youth in Ft. Thomas.

Originally Posted by PepRock01

It would depend on the commitment of the administration to back him. If you put him at Male, Manual, Central or Ballard with similar support he gets from the administration at Trinity I have little doubt he could build one of those schools into a powerhouse. The same applies to many schools in the area too: Fern Creek, Eastern and PRP could all have similar success under the scenario I mentioned above.

What is meant by the "commitment of the administration to back him?"

Originally Posted by plantmanky

Also, just for reference, Kenton Co does allow open enrollment, but only to residents of Kenton Co, who would normally be district-ed to a Kenton Co School. Covington Independent, and Beechwood school district students who wish to attend a Kenton Co school, would have to apply, be accepted, and pay tuition or be granted reciprocal.

But that is my point!, There is no rule by the KHSAA for not allowing kids from Ohio/Ind to play in Ky and there is no Commonwealth Law for not allowing it either, only the Kenton County Board of Education, or other BOE!

Originally Posted by jolmstead

With alll respect the Birds, your not exactly educatimg disadvantaged youth in Ft. Thomas.

Only about 10-12% but how does that relate to your post? I don't follow the reasoning.

Originally Posted by plantmanky

Also, just for reference, Kenton Co does allow open enrollment, but only to residents of Kenton Co, who would normally be district-ed to a Kenton Co School. Covington Independent, and Beechwood school district students who wish to attend a Kenton Co school, would have to apply, be accepted, and pay tuition or be granted reciprocal.

Kenton County does allow open enrollment outside of KC, however some schools, such as SK have suspended open enrollment for new students due to capacity issues.

I've always felt that Trinity and Highlands get a bad rap for their success. It doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by 75center

Only about 10-12% but how does that relate to your post? I don't follow the reasoning.

Educating disadvantaged and challenged youth involves big dollars and resources. Also, public schools carry a lot of these kids in thier programs. I'll let BGP posters correct me if I'm wrong, but I bet many head coaches in public programs spend 10% of their time in what amounts to social work. I know mine did , and more. Also, a lot kids are getting discipline and structure in their lives that they have never had before, and may not get again. In private and independent programs, when winning is tied to enrollment and by extension, revenue, I just don't see these things as an issue.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

I've always felt that Trinity and Highlands get a bad rap for their success. It doesn't make sense to me.

Teams coposed of 50% rural or minority poverty can't compete with schools composed of sons of NFL Hall of Famers. Location, location, location!

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

I've always felt that Trinity and Highlands get a bad rap for their success. It doesn't make sense to me.

Anybody can win with superior talent!

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Teams coposed of 50% rural or minority poverty can't compete with schools composed of sons of NFL Hall of Famers. Location, location, location!

How many NFL Hall of Famers have kids at Trinity?

Originally Posted by PepRock01

How many NFL Hall of Famers have kids at Trinity?

Have to defer to Rocks on that one! How many rural or minority impoverish kids on Trinity's roster (that don't have god like athletic gifts)?

Originally Posted by doubledeuce

What is meant by the "commitment of the administration to back him?"

To let him run the program his way without interference from the parents and not interfering with his running the program from the administrative end either. A perfect example of the lack of administrative commitment and support to the football program is the Fayette County schools. I seem to recall hearing from people close to the Paul Dunbar program on here that the administration regularly caves in to parents to the detriment of the football program.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Teams coposed of 50% rural or minority poverty can't compete with schools composed of sons of NFL Hall of Famers. Location, location, location!

When did we start talking about disadvantaged kids? Thought we were talking about private vs public. I can give you multiple examples of where public can compete with private, Highlands is just the first on the list. If you're talking about inner city schools and rurals schools vs others, than that's a different topic. My point is you can't just generalize public schools and say they have trouble competing with private schools. Highlands is a very small public school that has great success because of their dedication to the program and their offering for a good education...at a public school.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Have to defer to Rocks on that one! How many rural or minority impoverish kids on Trinity's roster (that don't have god like athletic gifts)?

Then don't post small minded hyperbole if you are unaware of the true facts. I mean why not just make claims to the tune of...

"Trinity wouldn't be nearly as successful if they weren't full of boys that are the spawn of Zeus, Poseidon and Ares. I mean how can we, common human beings with little to no deified blood running in our veins, expect to compete with that? They need to start playing their games against the Satyrs if they want a fair game. It isn't fair that the mothers of our players weren't seduced by Greek deities."

Or something like..

"If Trinity is going to keep running their illicit cloning experiments on NFL greats, why do they still play in the KHSAA? I mean it isn't fair for those of us who have naturally birthed and raised players on our teams."

Or how about...

"PepRock could fly across the country if he spouted wings out of his **censored**"

As to the financial situation of students at Trinity, be they athletes or otherwise, that is private information for the sake of the families. Do you want all of your financial details made public? That being said we do not give athletic scholarships and I have known many families that would not have been able to send their children to Trinity without the financial aid they received. We had a number of minority students who were not athletes when I was there and unless something dramatic has changed we still do.

Considering there isn't much in the way of a rural area anywhere near Louisville you are speaking out of a specific orifice that has no business spouting out information.

Since I too have engaged in hyperbole I probably out to further elucidate where I am going with this. My point is that your post contain needless venom direct at a group of kids who, themselves, only want a good education and athletic experience at a Catholic high school that promotes a Christian brotherhood.

Why doesn't our team leave the KHSAA to play a regional, national, international or intergalactic schedule? The reason is that the mission of Trinity High School is not football. Yes football is fun and gives those of us that love the sport something to post about ad nauseum on the internet anonymously, but it is not the greater mission of the school. Trinity's mission is "Our mission is to provide students with a superior high school education in a supportive atmosphere based upon Christian values in the Catholic tradition." Not sure about you, but I don't see football in there.

Originally Posted by RCC9

When did we start talking about disadvantaged kids? Thought we were talking about private vs public. I can give you multiple examples of where public can compete with private, Highlands is just the first on the list. If you're talking about inner city schools and rurals schools vs others, than that's a different topic. My point is you can't just generalize public schools and say they have trouble competing with private schools. Highlands is a very small public school that has great success because of their dedication to the program and their offering for a good education...at a public school.

On top of that when is Louisville Central going to leave 3A just to make it fair? I mean it is clear that the impoverished kids from rural counties can't compete with the impoverished kids from an urban setting.

Originally Posted by jolmstead

Anybody can win with superior talent!

You think talent is just in the water at Highlands and Trinity or do they have programs that motivate and develop that talent. I know the Highlands kids work their tales off in the off season to make themselves better. (I'm sure several others do as well). They weren't all born with super football powers. I would argue that there may be more raw talent and athleticisms hanging in the halls of inner city schools. They just don't get the motivation and develpment they need.