What team is better coached, Mayfield or Beechwood?

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    I have nothing but respect for the Mayfield coaches. However, people say that Beechwood gets "out coached" every year. To say this is not accurate. In 3 of the 4 years Mayfield was clearly the more talented team, in 2011 Beechwood probably had the slight edge, but lost their starting QB to a broken collarbone early in the 3rd quarter. That proved to be a tough break to overcome, and I won't even get into the questionable officiating at the end of the game. Jonathan Jackson was one of the most dominant 2 way players to come along in a long time! The kid took over games on both sides of the ball! He can make a lot of coaches look smart.
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    Also, if Beechwood's coaches are so poor, how come they get to the semi finals year after year even in down years? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the BGP playoff preview have Frankfort beating Beechwood in the regional finals? Most posters on this site had Frankfort whipping Beechwood in that game. Well, not only did Beechwood win, but it wasn't even close! Furthermore, everybody brings up the fact that Beechwood has never beaten Mayfield. This is true, they haven't, but nobody mentions the years of 2004, 2007, and 2008 when Beechwood won the state titles and thumped Danville, Frankfort, and Crittenden Co., all of whom beat Mayfield those years. Does that mean in those years Mayfield's coaching was not good? No, it means sometimes you have the horses and sometimes you don't. The fact that Beechwood continuously gets to the semis even when they aren't as talented is a credit to their coaching. If Mayfield would have gotten through to play Beechwood in those years then we wouldn't be having this conversation, because it would have been 3 losses for Mayfield!
    Also, anybody wanting to debate just how big of an X Factor Jonathan Jackson was, need look no further than the 2012 state title game when he played virtually on one leg with a sprained MCL and Hazard dominated them on both sides of the ball. He was a shell of himself and Mayfield had no answers without him.

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    Sorry, I was referring to the 2011 title game against Hazard, not 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Raider View Post
    I think this year will be the real test of Mayfield's staff...they will still be Mayfield, but it will be interesting to see just how good they are when the get-out-of-jail card is gone...not saying they still won't be in the 1A title game, just that I'm interested to see them without JJ.
    Certainly a lot of folks wonder this as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpick View Post
    But you yourself said for at least the first 2 years, (and I think it was actually first 3) of Jackson's career that Jackson was not, well here are your own words

    VOR said "TP ... I will give you my honest opinion but you won't like it. He is a very good player but not what you guys are hyping him to be. A very hard runner who breaks tackles. Very good speed. Personally, if I had to choose between your sophomore Jackson and our sophomore Max Nussbaum, I would take Nussbaum. That is no slight to Jackson because Nussbaum is a great player. So is Jackson. He isn't a Shelton, but not many are."

    "If you have access to the stats, please tell me how many tackles Jackson had and how many Staten had for Beechwood. I really don't know but it seemed like Beechwood's linebacker Staten was everywhere. In fact, look up the number of tackles Oronia made for Mayfield too. It seemed like I heard his name more than Jackson. I don't think anyone is missing the point on Jackson if you are saying he is one of the better linebackers in 1A. He undoubtedly is. But the way you guys are hyping him, I expected more. Athletically, Shelton was undoubtedly more impressive. Jackson is impressive and everyone from Beechwood will tell you that. But I have seen several linebackers over the past few years that impressed me as much if not more."

    You didn't seem that high on him or feel it would be the Jackson era back then. He was awesome but to try and say he is the only reason we have been to the last 4 state title games is an insult to the program that is 5th in the Nation in wins and owns a lot of state titles before there was ever a JJ wearing the Cards uniform. The stats from 2 years ago tell a little different story as well. Until the last Bw drive the Tigers didn't have a second half first down after Mf made COACHING adjustments and stats wise the Cards outgained Bw by a decent margin. Without our young qb making some bad throws which were uncharacteristic the Cards win that game by atleast a couple scores in my opinion even with JJ.
    Opinions can change. After seeing 4 years of Jackson, my opinion changed. I didn't say he is the only reason. But when teams are closely matched, a player like Jackson makes the difference. I am surprised any Mayfield fan will debate that after the championship game two years ago.

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    VOR & Qickslick, while JJ was hurt in that game and that was huge we also had a injured LaBront Scott (All State) and lost our best lineman to a broke leg against BW the week before so it was a lot of new faces for the Cards not just JJ

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    I agree opinions do change and I cant blame you there. Mf is much more than Jackson. Our past speaks for itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by History View Post
    You always forget VOR to throw in that sticky change from 4 classes to 6 in KY. Happened during Rash's reign.

    I agree that Yeagle faced tougher opponents in earlier rounds. His early round playoff losses were to New Cath twice and Lexington Christian. Rash's one early round loss was also to New Cath. Beyond that, when you get to the round of 8 in today's class structure the competition is comparable to what it was in the four class system.

    Makes Rash's A schedule even easier. Compare records of the two coaches vs. CCH and NCC during their reign.

    Versus NCC - Rash is 3-5 and Yeagle was 8-4. Versus CCH - Rash is 1-6 and Yeagle was 3-2 (in those last 7 years, there were a couple years that BW and CCH didn't play.) Yeagle obviously had a better record against those two.

    The "mystical" state championships for Yeagle speak for themselves. Rash also plays nowhere near the out of district schedule that Yeagle used to.

    Surprise ... You know how many games Yeagle played verus current 5A/6A schools in his last 7 years - 2. Both against Simon Kenton, who was not bearly as good as they are now. Under Rash, Beechwood has played 9 games versus big schools. Also, in Yeagle's last 7 he played more 2 more 1A games every year because the district had more teams. Rash has played a tougher schedule.

    Last year Beechwood lost to Holmes. The Holmes coach was asked to leave after the season.

    That is the same Holmes team that beat state champion New Cath, right?

    Beating Dayton and Ludlow and Bellevue is nice. I'll put Rash near the top when he can beat Mayfield. Can't beat them at home. Can't beat them on the road. Can't beat them when he has a big team. Can't beat them when he has a speedy team. Just can't beat Mayfield Sam I Am.

    Rash's squads have not made the necessary adjustments and Mayfield is now their archrival and Rash can't seem to figure out a way beat them.

    Guess what ... Yeagle never beat Mayfield either.

    (By the way I think Noel is one of the nicest human beings on the planet)= (Means diddly when coaching championship high school football)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
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    I appreciate the research VOR. Furthermore, I think you would agree that the perception of Beechwood around the state has dropped. It used to be when people talked about Northern Kentucky football the rank order would go Highlands, Beechwood, CCH, NCC. I think Beechwood has fallen to the four hole now, and throw in the fact that Holy Cross won a state title lately as well.

    The slippage may have begun under Yeagle, but I would say the lack lately for the Tigers to win a state championship is near drought mode, and again, it really should have been easier with the Commonwealth going to 6 classes of football. The younger kids look good, but as you know the Tigers might be elevated to 2A status soon with the ever shifting sands of enrollment for various schools around the state.

    All is not lost as NCC went through a dark period years ago, and then to his credit Coach Bob Schneider dramatically changed the way his teams played on offense. The changes resulted in state championships and have continued beyond his coaching tenure. Coach Rash has the ability and personnel to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by History View Post
    I appreciate the research VOR. Furthermore, I think you would agree that the perception of Beechwood around the state has dropped. It used to be when people talked about Northern Kentucky football the rank order would go Highlands, Beechwood, CCH, NCC. I think Beechwood has fallen to the four hole now, and throw in the fact that Holy Cross won a state title lately as well.

    The slippage may have begun under Yeagle, but I would say the lack lately for the Tigers to win a state championship is near drought mode, and again, it really should have been easier with the Commonwealth going to 6 classes of football. The younger kids look good, but as you know the Tigers might be elevated to 2A status soon with the ever shifting sands of enrollment for various schools around the state.

    All is not lost as NCC went through a dark period years ago, and then to his credit Coach Bob Schneider dramatically changed the way his teams played on offense. The changes resulted in state championships and have continued beyond his coaching tenure. Coach Rash has the ability and personnel to do the same.
    Did you really just mention Holy Cross? You mean the same Holy Cross that has never beaten Beechwood? Or the one that was beaten 69-26 by Beechwood in the year they won their state title? C'mon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpick View Post
    NCC has no room to say much, they have not faired much better against a Morris led Mayfield team having only managed to beat Mf 1 time and that was in a driving rain storm or that would have been a Mf win as well. NCC certainly should thank their lucky stars for having not been in Mf's class lately or they would be the ones this thread would be about. Last year would and 10 would have been massacres.
    Sorry bro, mayfield isn't in NCC's class and would have lost in 10, 11 and 12. I hate to burst your bubble. Would have been out played and out coached all three years, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicker than Slick View Post
    You talk about the "blown" call in overtime in the 2010 game. When the score was 25-15 Beechwood, NCC missed a field goal wide right that was ruled good. Take that away and the game never goes to overtime. As for the 2011 game, Hightchew was hurt late in the second quarter and Beechwood's starting QB never suited up. Nussbaum started QB and didn't play the second half do to a concussion, so Beechwood played the entire second half with their 3rd string QB. Oh,and by the way, Beechwood took a knee on the 1 yard line or the score would have been worse.
    That 11 team was very good, I'm not disputing that. But a healthy hightchew and a healthy QB for you guys, NCC wins. Got your butts handed to you last season however. Just wasn't a very good beechwood team, all I was saying. Neither was the 10 beechwood team, But that's what you get in a rivalry game. The tigers have some serious talent coming up for the next few years.

    Oh by the way, the field goal was good. The dropped pass in overtime was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    That 11 team was very good, I'm not disputing that. But a healthy hightchew and a healthy QB for you guys, NCC wins. Got your butts handed to you last season however. Just wasn't a very good beechwood team, all I was saying. Neither was the 10 beechwood team, But that's what you get in a rivalry game. The tigers have some serious talent coming up for the next few years.

    Oh by the way, the field goal was good. The dropped pass in overtime was not.
    The field goal in 2010 was wide right, and the video shows that! As for your comment about the 2011 game, NCC couldn't even get past Holy Cross in the regional finals. You could have Hightchew and give Beechwood their QB and Nussbaum back and the score would have been even more lopsided! As for last years game, NCC was obviously better. I've stated earlier, Beechwood was in a down year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Sorry bro, mayfield isn't in NCC's class and would have lost in 10, 11 and 12. I hate to burst your bubble. Would have been out played and out coached all three years, sorry.
    Hate to burst your bubble bro, but last year Mayfield was better than NCC. Last game of the year Mayfield beat Caldwell Co. 48-7, the same team that took NCC to the wire.
    In 2011 Mayfield was better than NCC.
    In 2010 both teams were very good, it would have been the ultimate contrast of styles. NCC's smash mouth running game against the speed of Mayfield. I can tell you that NCC would have had a lot of problems handling Mayfield's speed on the perimeter, and Mayfield would have had some trouble handling the pounding NCC running game. Whichever team got the early lead would have had a big advantage to dictate how that game went. To say Mayfield is not in NCC's class is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Coach Rash. He is doing an incredible job and has to be considered one of the top coaches in the state.
    Wow, that is a HUGE statement. One of the top coaches in the state? That is strong....

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