Page 3 of Quote from zero in the speed thread: "I have said for 3 years now that Beechwood has been out-coached. Last year it was close at half, Mayfield adjusted, Beechwood did not and got smoked the 2nd half." =========================== Again, what team is better coached, Mayfield or Beechwood?... 117 comments | 4218 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpick View Post
    NCC has no room to say much, they have not faired much better against a Morris led Mayfield team having only managed to beat Mf 1 time and that was in a driving rain storm or that would have been a Mf win as well. NCC certainly should thank their lucky stars for having not been in Mf's class lately or they would be the ones this thread would be about. Last year would and 10 would have been massacres.
    Sorry bro, mayfield isn't in NCC's class and would have lost in 10, 11 and 12. I hate to burst your bubble. Would have been out played and out coached all three years, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicker than Slick View Post
    You talk about the "blown" call in overtime in the 2010 game. When the score was 25-15 Beechwood, NCC missed a field goal wide right that was ruled good. Take that away and the game never goes to overtime. As for the 2011 game, Hightchew was hurt late in the second quarter and Beechwood's starting QB never suited up. Nussbaum started QB and didn't play the second half do to a concussion, so Beechwood played the entire second half with their 3rd string QB. Oh,and by the way, Beechwood took a knee on the 1 yard line or the score would have been worse.
    That 11 team was very good, I'm not disputing that. But a healthy hightchew and a healthy QB for you guys, NCC wins. Got your butts handed to you last season however. Just wasn't a very good beechwood team, all I was saying. Neither was the 10 beechwood team, But that's what you get in a rivalry game. The tigers have some serious talent coming up for the next few years.

    Oh by the way, the field goal was good. The dropped pass in overtime was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    That 11 team was very good, I'm not disputing that. But a healthy hightchew and a healthy QB for you guys, NCC wins. Got your butts handed to you last season however. Just wasn't a very good beechwood team, all I was saying. Neither was the 10 beechwood team, But that's what you get in a rivalry game. The tigers have some serious talent coming up for the next few years.

    Oh by the way, the field goal was good. The dropped pass in overtime was not.
    The field goal in 2010 was wide right, and the video shows that! As for your comment about the 2011 game, NCC couldn't even get past Holy Cross in the regional finals. You could have Hightchew and give Beechwood their QB and Nussbaum back and the score would have been even more lopsided! As for last years game, NCC was obviously better. I've stated earlier, Beechwood was in a down year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Sorry bro, mayfield isn't in NCC's class and would have lost in 10, 11 and 12. I hate to burst your bubble. Would have been out played and out coached all three years, sorry.
    Hate to burst your bubble bro, but last year Mayfield was better than NCC. Last game of the year Mayfield beat Caldwell Co. 48-7, the same team that took NCC to the wire.
    In 2011 Mayfield was better than NCC.
    In 2010 both teams were very good, it would have been the ultimate contrast of styles. NCC's smash mouth running game against the speed of Mayfield. I can tell you that NCC would have had a lot of problems handling Mayfield's speed on the perimeter, and Mayfield would have had some trouble handling the pounding NCC running game. Whichever team got the early lead would have had a big advantage to dictate how that game went. To say Mayfield is not in NCC's class is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Coach Rash. He is doing an incredible job and has to be considered one of the top coaches in the state.
    Wow, that is a HUGE statement. One of the top coaches in the state? That is strong....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Sorry bro, Mayfield isn't in NCC's class
    One of the 10 funniest things I've ever read on this site.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MentschTrachtGottLacht View Post
    One of the 10 funniest things I've ever read on this site.....
    Totally agree. It's the delusional comments that keep the threads interesting at times.

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    Correct. Mayfield is in 1A, NCC is in 2A in reference to NKYfootballfan91's comment about the two not being in the same class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicker than Slick View Post
    Also, if Beechwood's coaches are so poor, how come they get to the semi finals year after year even in down years? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the BGP playoff preview have Frankfort beating Beechwood in the regional finals? Most posters on this site had Frankfort whipping Beechwood in that game. Well, not only did Beechwood win, but it wasn't even close! Furthermore, everybody brings up the fact that Beechwood has never beaten Mayfield. This is true, they haven't, but nobody mentions the years of 2004, 2007, and 2008 when Beechwood won the state titles and thumped Danville, Frankfort, and Crittenden Co., all of whom beat Mayfield those years. Does that mean in those years Mayfield's coaching was not good? No, it means sometimes you have the horses and sometimes you don't. The fact that Beechwood continuously gets to the semis even when they aren't as talented is a credit to their coaching. If Mayfield would have gotten through to play Beechwood in those years then we wouldn't be having this conversation, because it would have been 3 losses for Mayfield!
    Also, anybody wanting to debate just how big of an X Factor Jonathan Jackson was, need look no further than the 2012 state title game when he played virtually on one leg with a sprained MCL and Hazard dominated them on both sides of the ball. He was a shell of himself and Mayfield had no answers without him.
    I hope you are kidding. Shoot, I blind man can see that in single A there is no one to play until you get to the semi-finals. Nice try though to pat yourself on the back. You crack me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    I hope you are kidding. Shoot, I blind man can see that in single A there is no one to play until you get to the semi-finals. Nice try though to pat yourself on the back. You crack me up!
    The Frankfort Panthers will beg to differ.

    However, I will agree the early rounds in all the classes are easier these days. I don't think there is any competitive difference once you get to the final 8 in almost every class. Class 1A is one where the quarterfinals were tougher in the 4 class system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Sorry bro, mayfield isn't in NCC's class and would have lost in 10, 11 and 12. I hate to burst your bubble. Would have been out played and out coached all three years, sorry.
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    Question? How much did the fact that Danville and Mayfield were playing in AA until the late 90's have on the "magical" run of Beechwood and Yeagle? Does that "what if?" scenario play in the coach discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    The Frankfort Panthers will beg to differ.

    However, I will agree the early rounds in all the classes are easier these days. I don't think there is any competitive difference once you get to the final 8 in almost every class. Class 1A is one where the quarterfinals were tougher in the 4 class system.
    They can beg to differ all they want. They can't beat Beechwood and haven't been close in several years. It's a walk in the park until they get to the semi's. PERIOD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    They can beg to differ all they want. They can't beat Beechwood and haven't been close in several years. It's a walk in the park until they get to the semi's. PERIOD!
    Agree totally with this. Frankfort is always overhyped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero View Post
    They can beg to differ all they want. They can't beat Beechwood and haven't been close in several years. It's a walk in the park until they get to the semi's. PERIOD!
    No shame in not beating Beechwood. My point is they are a very good team year in and year out and a tough opponent for anyone in the stats quarterfinals.

    1A quarterfinals losers during 6 class era:

    2012 - Ky. Country Day, Williamsburg, Frankfort, Pikeville
    2011 - Lou. Holy Cross, Frankfort, Williamsburg, Fairview
    2010 - Lou. Holy Cross, Frankfort, Fairview, Pikeville
    2009 - Crittenden Co., Bellevue, Raceland, Harlan
    2008 - Mayfield, Frankfort, Raceland, Pikeville
    2007- Mayfield, Lou. Holy Cross, Pikeville, Campbellsville

    I don't consider any of those teams weak sisters. There is still tough competition from the quarterfinals on in 1A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicker than Slick View Post
    Did you really just mention Holy Cross? You mean the same Holy Cross that has never beaten Beechwood? Or the one that was beaten 69-26 by Beechwood in the year they won their state title? C'mon!
    Yeah I said Holy Cross. Would Beechwood have rather lost to Holy Cross 69-26 and won the state title that year or have beaten the Indians 69-26 and been bounced in the playoffs again with no ring? Give me the title Alex. Beechwood seems to have the priorities mixed up for old time sports fans these days. Good at band-win state. Football-pave the Panthers. Geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Sorry bro, mayfield isn't in NCC's class and would have lost in 10, 11 and 12. I hate to burst your bubble. Would have been out played and out coached all three years, sorry.


    You make this site fun, I posted the NCC stuff just to see what you would come up with and I must say I was not disappointed. So..........we should have made thread title to include NCC coaches as compared to Rash and Morris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    Question? How much did the fact that Danville and Mayfield were playing in AA until the late 90's have on the "magical" run of Beechwood and Yeagle? Does that "what if?" scenario play in the coach discussion?
    Without doubt it would have taken the legend of MY down a few notches but I still think he was great back then. Bw's 95 title loss to Mf I recall being shocked that Bw played us so well. I recall most all of Mf really expecting the title to be a sure win and MY quickly earned my respect that day and nearly took my trophy up north

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    Question? How much did the fact that Danville and Mayfield were playing in AA until the late 90's have on the "magical" run of Beechwood and Yeagle? Does that "what if?" scenario play in the coach discussion?

    Very, very little. Beechwood was beating everyone during that run. They were tougher than tough.

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    One factor that needs to be strongly considered in comparing today to the 90's - the style of football. Evolution of the passing game, spread offenses, etc. makes winning today more difficult IMO. The style played by Beechwood in the 90's would not have the same results today. The best example of this is New Cath. Once Schneider changed the offense, they became much more of a power. This is the one area where I think Rash and his offensive coaches need to get better - passing the ball. We talk about halftime adjustments by coaches. My somewhat rusty memory tells me that Beechwood has crawled into their power game shell in the second half of games and that has hurt them as much as anything in the Mayfield games. The times have changed from great power football being all you need to win. History referred to Holy Cross winning that title. They won for one reason - their QB did an incredible job offensively in the playoffs with their passing offense. If you aren't effective throwing the ball, you aren't going to win a title.