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    Quote Originally Posted by RockPride
    Not long to go....I saw the conversion and it was well defended....The back-breaker, IMO, was in the first half, when JH fumbled on the goal line and X recovered....
    X had the ball up 21-7 I thought my prediction was taking shape but it fell through as X's offense fizzled a little. Great game, you have to play for overtime as you have all the MO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    No one has yet to explain this John Hardin team to me. They flew under the radar for so long I never saw a good reveiw of the team. Who were thier stars? What were thier strenghts? Will they be a consistant program in 4A? How did they get there so fast? Do they graduate a lot of players?
    Their mesh points with the wing T were incredible. They reminded me of teh old Creek teams or maybe even Clark County with their deception. I hate the wing T but it was fun to watch it being ran to such perfection for a change.

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    Question about the blocked punt. In this mornings paper it stated that X had one punt for 37 yards. Do blocks not count as punts? Was it somehow blocked before toe met ball?

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    Wow! What a game!
    I agreed with JH going for 2. I spoke with someone on the JH staff who said there was never any doubt about the 2, plus they felt the team was gassed, and wouldn't win in an OT.

    An X coach told me someone got a hand on the ball and slightly deflected it.

    Great effort by JH, and a great facility, but:

    1) The announcer has to go. KHSAA rules are that he's supposed to be neutral, not a cheerleader.
    2) There was a dangerous situation near the restrooms and concession stand because of the crowding, pushing, etc. It needs to be reconfigurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR8BigBull
    I do not see how the opening drive fumble into the end zone cannot be considered a major game changing event. The Bulldogs could have scored to take a 7 point lead while taking ten minutes off the clock. Major, Major Major statement to be made. Cosequently, the tigers take a 7 point lead and win by a 1 point margin. Manual math tells me that the game could have ended with a different outcome. Of course that change in the history of the game could have led to different events throughout the remainder of the game and it could have ended any number of ways. I am saying only that by not scoring at that point a little wind went out of the sails and instead of playing with the lead JH played to stay with the Tigers. I will say that a few of the "un-X-like" mistakes could have had a thing or two to do with game preparation by JH . The blocked punt was huge and at that time gave JH the chance to get back into the game. A great job by JH to get the block, maybe not so much to do with St. X. I wonder how many blocked punts St. X suffered this season.
    My HS AP Math (from a different venue) was from the same textbook as your Ram Math. If the QB doesn't fumble, he is down not in the endzone, therefore not qualifying for the score and the Tigers take over on downs. Kudos deserve to go out to the Tiger D for stopping him and forcing the fumble. The blocked punt was a great defensive play by JH and poor execution by the Tigers-it took way to long to get the punt attempt off after an excellent snap. Being a former Ram, you should remember the two blocked extra point attempts against your team along with last nights blocked punt-these have equally to do with poor execution from a normally bullet proof special teams squad. The "un-X-like" mistakes were a delay of game call while attempting to audible, a lineman jumping on 3rd and short inside the JH 30 with "mo" on our side and another drive killing penalty in the 2nd quarter which resulted in a Tiger punt. Please explain how you "game prepare" for that as a defense and I'll be glad to pass it on to Coach G to use next week against Warren Central. JH played an outstanding game, had a great season and I am not trying to take anything away from their efforts-it is just a fact that the X-Men normally make mistakes like these very rarely at this point in the season. Are you sure the grapes just might still be a little sour with the Rams demise at the Tigers expense?

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    I have a question for you X fans and I'm just wondering:
    If Jh converts the 2 point conversion, would you be criticizing coach brown or still praisiing him?
    Give me an honest answer please

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSURock
    Question about the blocked punt. In this mornings paper it stated that X had one punt for 37 yards. Do blocks not count as punts? Was it somehow blocked before toe met ball?
    I don't know who's stats they used, if it was JH's or X's but in either case a blocked punt counts as a punt for zero yards. It is credited to the team rather than an individual punter and doesn't count against the punter's net punting total but does count against the teams.
    If in this situation JH managed to tackle the punter before he was able to actually go through the punting motion then the stats are correct and it doesn't count as a punt but as a negative rush for the punter. If they block it even right off his foot or just after the boot then it's a blocked punt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. No Name
    I have a question for you X fans and I'm just wondering:
    If Jh converts the 2 point conversion, would you be criticizing coach brown or still praisiing him?
    Give me an honest answer please
    I'm not an X fan but you have to credit him either way. It is a popular call this season in other levels of football, USC - Notre Dame, Kansas City recently did it as well as Tampa Bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtiger
    My HS AP Math (from a different venue) was from the same textbook as your Ram Math. If the QB doesn't fumble, he is down not in the endzone, therefore not qualifying for the score and the Tigers take over on downs.
    Well I saw the replay from two angles...and if he does not fumble, his momentum carried him into the endzone. I promise, I saw it. Regardless X made one play (kind of) when they had to.

    Great game, destiny awaits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete W
    I'm not an X fan but you have to credit him either way. It is a popular call this season in other levels of football, USC - Notre Dame, Kansas City recently did it as well as Tampa Bay.
    i agree, thats why i wanted to hear some of the x fans point of view.
    But your opinion counts as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. No Name
    I have a question for you X fans and I'm just wondering:
    If Jh converts the 2 point conversion, would you be criticizing coach brown or still praisiing him?
    Give me an honest answer please
    I would be praising him for making the right call-it is a no brainer. Line em up and give X 4 tries to gain 10 yards and they will execute 9 out of 10 times against JH. The Wing-T was, for the most part, shut down by the Tiger D all night (hence, JH throwing the ball for the 2 point conversion) and I would hate to have to rely on throwing the ball in OT.

    My honest answer deserves one from you-what are you implying or why are you asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtiger
    I would be praising him for making the right call-it is a no brainer. Line em up and give X 4 tries to gain 10 yards and they will execute 9 out of 10 times against JH. The Wing-T was, for the most part, shut down by the Tiger D all night (hence, JH throwing the ball for the 2 point conversion) and I would hate to have to rely on throwing the ball in OT.

    My honest answer deserves one from you-what are you implying or why are you asking?
    I'm implying that i thought possible if the 2 point conversion was converted, you X fans might be alittle unhappy with the decision and disagree with the call, BUT i didnt know and thats why i asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtiger
    My HS AP Math (from a different venue) was from the same textbook as your Ram Math. If the QB doesn't fumble, he is down not in the endzone, therefore not qualifying for the score and the Tigers take over on downs. Kudos deserve to go out to the Tiger D for stopping him and forcing the fumble. The blocked punt was a great defensive play by JH and poor execution by the Tigers-it took way to long to get the punt attempt off after an excellent snap. Being a former Ram, you should remember the two blocked extra point attempts against your team along with last nights blocked punt-these have equally to do with poor execution from a normally bullet proof special teams squad. The "un-X-like" mistakes were a delay of game call while attempting to audible, a lineman jumping on 3rd and short inside the JH 30 with "mo" on our side and another drive killing penalty in the 2nd quarter which resulted in a Tiger punt. Please explain how you "game prepare" for that as a defense and I'll be glad to pass it on to Coach G to use next week against Warren Central. JH played an outstanding game, had a great season and I am not trying to take anything away from their efforts-it is just a fact that the X-Men normally make mistakes like these very rarely at this point in the season. Are you sure the grapes just might still be a little sour with the Rams demise at the Tigers expense?
    Standing very near the goal line (at the goal line) during that 4th down fumble into the end zone one would have to say that Morning had the momentum carrying him into the end zone. Yes the play was made and he fumbled, I believe that I did state that a lot of various scenarios could have played out after that. I merely stated my opinion where I felt that the opening drive fumble was an important turn in the game. That seems to have gotten turned into something that it wasn't. Sour grapes? Not at all, I don't understand how one can make a post and have it turn into a "sour grapes" issue. I wanted to merely point out that yes, even with a delay of game penalty that the defensive set may have caused the delay while even the defense sets and movements could have caused an OL to jump. Sometimes the X faithful expect these "kids" to be flawless and when they show signs of being "human" then the whole world must be coming to an end. St. X is lucky in the sense that when they do make some of the human mistakes that they are good enough to over come them and find ways to win. These mistakes seem to happen to teams that face St. X and you may even be one to pat the X men on the back for provoking the mistakes. Just seems that there are always different perspectives on like issues. Make more "sour grapes" out of that. :fight:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. No Name
    I have a question for you X fans and I'm just wondering:
    If Jh converts the 2 point conversion, would you be criticizing coach brown or still praisiing him?
    Give me an honest answer please
    Throughout the past week St. X fans have shown nothing but respect for the JH team and their coaches. There was nothing that happened at the game last night that would change anyone’s mind. Going for 2 was the only way to go. Why do you ask such a question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. No Name
    I'm implying that i thought possible if the 2 point conversion was converted, you X fans might be alittle unhappy with the decision and disagree with the call, BUT i didnt know and thats why i asked
    Sorry, I just don't get the gist on how X fans could be unhappy with an opposing coach seizing his best opportunity to win. IMO I can't see how we could disagree with a strategic move on the part of an opposing coach that led to our defeat? Regardless, it's over and he made the correct call-it was truthfully more accurate than gutsy and you would expect that from a great coach like Coach Brown.

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