Should Success be a Factor in Classification?

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    Should Success be a Factor in Classification?

    Currently the state of Indiana uses what is called a Success Factor in determining their classes. Shown below is a portion of their rules regarding how teams are classified by success.

    a. In team sports, schools shall be subject to reclassification at the conclusion of a reclassification period on a sport-by-sport basis dependent on the school’s tournament series success during the previous reclassification period.

    b. A school shall earn the assigned point values for the final level of the tournament series the school achieves during the previous reclassification period as follows:
    (1.) Sectional championship – 1 point
    (2.) Regional championship – 2 points
    (3.) Semi-State championship – 3 points
    (4.) State championship – 4 points

    c. If a school in any enrollment class achieves a tournament series success point value of six (6) points or greater in a specific sport during the previous reclassification period, such school shall move up to the next available higher enrollment class for the next reclassification period. A change in a school’s enrollment which would otherwise result in a change of the school’s enrollment classes shall not apply to a school which changes classes under this section, unless the enrollment change would result in the school being placed in an enrollment class higher than the enrollment class dictated by this section, and in that circumstance, the school shall be placed in the enrollment class determined by the school’s enrollment for the next reclassification period.

    d. If a school which has participated in a higher enrollment class during the previous reclassification period achieves a tournament series success point value of Three (3), Four (4) or Five (5) points in a specific sport, such school shall remain in the same enrollment class in that sport for the next reclassification period. The foregoing notwithstanding, if there is a change in the school’s enrollment which would result in the school being placed in a higher enrollment class than the enrollment class dictated by this section, then in that circumstance the school shall be placed in the enrollment class determined by the school’s enrollment for the next reclassification period.

    e. If a school which has participated in a higher enrollment class during the previous reclassification period achieves a tournament series success point value of Two (2) points or less in a specific sport, such school shall be placed in the classification immediately below the classification previously occupied for the next reclassification period. f. When setting the number of schools in a particular class, Rule 2-2 of the IHSAA by-laws shall be implemented. Should a school be placed in a class of schools with larger enrollments due to their success, the school with the smallest enrollment in the class shall be moved to the next classification down containing schools with smaller enrollments.

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    Class 6A and Class 5A in football shall always contain 32 schools..

    http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa...Provisions.pdf
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    My question is as follows: Should the state of Kentucky use something similar to what Indiana does to balance classes and keep certain teams from repeatedly winning championships at a single level?

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    I know the rhetoric is "work harder", but that formula certainly makes things interesting. I think if we did that, 4 or 5 classes would probably be ideal. Just my opinion.

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    Not in KY, not enough teams for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    Not in KY, not enough teams for that.
    Care to explain your reasoning on that? Is it a fear that one class would be overloaded and others would be weakened? Genuinely interested in your thoughts here.

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    Work harder is the lazy excuse for any argument about this subject.



    I really wouldn't have any issue if Kentucky adopted something similar, to ensure that it wasn't the same names every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gchs_uk9 View Post
    Care to explain your reasoning on that? Is it a fear that one class would be overloaded and others would be weakened? Genuinely interested in your thoughts here.
    I think my reasoning was clear, not enough teams for in KY for it to really matter. Unless you just want one super class, and the rest teams that are not very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    I think my reasoning was clear, not enough teams for in KY for it to really matter. Unless you just want one super class, and the rest teams that are not very good.
    Keep in mind that you don't keep rising up. You can only play up one level higher than you positioned by enrollment. So there isn't a situation where, say Beechwood, would move up to 6A.

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    What do you do with Trinity? East or West division of the SEC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macdon View Post
    What do you do with Trinity? East or West division of the SEC?


    Obviously there is a cap on how high teams can rise!

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    What? Indiana only has 32 schools in some of thier classes...craziness.


    <sarcasm implied>

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    NFL has 32 teams.

    Eight Divisions of four teams each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gchs_uk9 View Post
    Keep in mind that you don't keep rising up. You can only play up one level higher than you positioned by enrollment. So there isn't a situation where, say Beechwood, would move up to 6A.
    I get that, still not enough teams in KY for it to make an impact. Sure it might make a super class in 6A but thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macdon View Post
    NFL has 32 teams.

    Eight Divisions of four teams each.
    Apples and anvils. Salary caps keeps all 32 teams relatively close in competitive level, every team has the same number of players, basically every team has the same number of players at each position, and it's the best players in the world so...............

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    No. Why punish a team for winning. That makes no sense to me.

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