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    Default Mayfield , Beechwood , Danville are more of a dynasty than Trinity

    If Trinity had 40 to 50 boys in each class to to field a high school team each season I doubt if they would have more success as these teams have had. Trinity is blessed with being in Louisville and having a large number of boys to choose from. Trinity also benifits from not being in a great high school football state. Some small schools that produce good and great teams every year with small enrollment are more impressive than the few big schools that have a large pool of boys every year to choose from. Like the saying goes "bigger isn't always better".
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    I see your point. Growing up down the road from Beechwood, I've always been amazed at how good they are year in and year out. I'd put Highlands in the same category too. The fact that both schools are ALWAYS in the state title hunt is amazing.

    I see the point, but I can't make myself agree completely. I can't bring myself to take away from what Trinity has accomplished as a program.

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    Nothing at all wrong with any of the programs you mentioned but lets be real. Trinity is also playing way better competition week in and week out than any of those schools, while still dominating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakesnot_2000 View Post
    If Trinity had 40 to 50 boys in each class to to field a high school team each season I doubt if they would have more success as these teams have had. Trinity is blessed with being in Louisville and having a large number of boys to choose from. Trinity also benifits from not being in a great high school football state. Some small schools that produce good and great teams every year with small enrollment are more impressive than the few big schools that have a large pool of boys every year to choose from. Like the saying goes "bigger isn't always better".
    I find it interesting that the three public schools you mention above are each independent school districts. They have options of accepting students from outside thier "boundaries". The larger publci County schools have had no where near the success of these smaller "city" schools. In Trnity's case, bigger is better and the administartion makes it work. As the local public schools have chosen limit their enrollments, Trinity has grown through the years. I use the huge public schools in Indiana as a prime example of how big works. In Ohio, they suggested to Colerain to split into two schools. Those folks declined.

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    For the thousandth time, every school in the state has the option of accepting students from outside their, self imposed, district lines. Excepting students from anywhere is only limited by the school district themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    For the thousandth time, every school in the state has the option of accepting students from outside their, self imposed, district lines. Excepting students from anywhere is only limited by the school district themselves.
    Thank you Ram. nochristmastree only has 90 posts on BGP so he/she most likely hasn't seen the 100 previous posts on this topic. The independent versus county school comment is very old and tiresome. The only difference between an independent and county school district is size. Both can accept students from outside their boundaries unless they impose rules on themselves against it. The options are the same for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    For the thousandth time, every school in the state has the option of accepting students from outside their, self imposed, district lines. Excepting students from anywhere is only limited by the school district themselves.
    A-Frickin'-MEN! People keep throwing it out there like saying it over and over somehow makes it true.

    I would argue that non-independents have it even better because kids can apply to switch schools within the district without paying tuition. If you take away the tuition barrier, it sure makes for an easier decision. I don't know if they play sports, but I know there are a few students at Dixie that live in Simon Kenton District

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    Are you guys all reading the same thing I am reading? nochristmastree said quote:

    "As the local public schools have chosen limit their enrollments, Trinity has grown through the years."

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakesnot_2000 View Post
    If Trinity had 40 to 50 boys in each class to to field a high school team each season I doubt if they would have more success as these teams have had. Trinity is blessed with being in Louisville and having a large number of boys to choose from. Trinity also benifits from not being in a great high school football state. Some small schools that produce good and great teams every year with small enrollment are more impressive than the few big schools that have a large pool of boys every year to choose from. Like the saying goes "bigger isn't always better".

    Nothing in this post is convincing me that Mayfield, Beechwood or Danville are better dynasties than Trinity. Their past to success may be harder than Trinity's but that doesn't make their dynasties better.

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    Ask yourselves this. How many kids leave ft thomas to play at cchs? How many kids leave ft mitchell (beechwood) to play at lloyd? They dont, its the other way around.

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    Trinity by far is the best football in the state of ky. No other school in the state could play their schedule and be as successful as they are. They could win a state title in the biggest class in almost any state, no other school in the state can claim that. Sorry hhs fans, not even close.

    the biggest disappoint to me in this state is, cov cath. How can u not be able to beat hhs year in and year out and not win titles?

    What really means dynasty, lifetime? Last 10 years? If u talk last 10 years, hhs, trinity and ncc are unmatched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Are you guys all reading the same thing I am reading? nochristmastree said quote:

    "As the local public schools have chosen limit their enrollments, Trinity has grown through the years."

    I was responding to this:
    I find it interesting that the three public schools you mention above are each independent school districts. They have options of accepting students from outside thier "boundaries".
    Every school has the "option of accepting students from outside their 'boundaries'".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Ask yourselves this. How many kids leave ft thomas to play at cchs? How many kids leave ft mitchell (beechwood) to play at lloyd? They dont, its the other way around.
    I'm not sure what side of the argument you are making, but LLOYD is the same as Beechwood, right? Independent? Just because they don't choose to leave Beechwood or Highlands district to go to the other schools doesn't mean they can't? Unless, as other have pointed out, the district closes outside enrollment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    I was responding to this:


    Every school has the "option of accepting students from outside their 'boundaries'".
    I think you (and the others) made the mistake of reading into only a portion of his post. If you read the entire post the context of the comment you responded to changes (or certainly is more clearly defined).

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    Not to hijack, but I have to say that there is a huge difference in independents and rural/county schools. The difference isn't so much as enrollment advantages in terms of accepting out of district kids or not, but it lies within the fact that at the last majority of these rural area county schools, you draw kids from parts of the counties that didn't know what a football was 50 years ago, and they still don't.

    Consolidation of these schools into "so as so County High School" more times than not took the one football playing school and merged them with other schools in the county that didn't play it due to a vast number of reasons (agriculture had and still has much to do with it).

    I know several rural/county schools out there whose football programs wouldn't suffer one bit if they went back to the days before consolidation.

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    But, back to the original thread....I totally understand where snakesnot is coming from, but Trinity is on a whole different level.

    Very valid points made, though.

    Sorry for the rant above, having been involved as both a player and coach in indepdenent and "county" (rural areas mind you) school, there is a difference for the large majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy View Post
    I'm not sure what side of the argument you are making, but LLOYD is the same as Beechwood, right? Independent? Just because they don't choose to leave Beechwood or Highlands district to go to the other schools doesn't mean they can't? Unless, as other have pointed out, the district closes outside enrollment.
    Yes, they are independent. Was pointing out some of the reasons these public independent schools are successful, ei beechwood and HHS. My point being, the kids leave these other districts to play at these schools and not vise versa. Hence, the reason Lloyd is struggling. Lloyd's middle school team has been very good recently. Their youth league has always been very competitive. Half the coaching staff at beechwood, Lloyd grads lol. Or it was. That's for another post.....

    Listen, I'm not advocating closing em down. I believe parents or the kids should play where they want to. It sure would be interesting though if these kids had to stay put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYfootballfan91 View Post
    Yes, they are independent. Was pointing out some of the reasons these public independent schools are successful, ei beechwood and HHS. My point being, the kids leave these other districts to play at these schools and not vise versa. Hence, the reason Lloyd is struggling. Lloyd's middle school team has been very good recently. Their youth league has always been very competitive. Half the coaching staff at beechwood, Lloyd grads lol. Or it was. That's for another post.....

    Listen, I'm not advocating closing em down. I believe parents or the kids should play where they want to. It sure would be interesting though if these kids had to stay put.

    Sounds like Snake should have just said Mayfield and Danville. Both rural towns where the options to go else where are limited as is the number of kids. Beechwood and other metro area programs certainly are fortunate to benefit from their location. That said, Beechwood and of course FTH accomplishments are also incredible.

    To the topic, T is in a class of its own and what they have done is simply amazing by any standard anywhere.
    Could they up and move their school to Danville or Mayfield and still enjoy their success? of course not on the scale they have enjoyed. Could they move to Ft. Mitchell and do so? maybe
    Equally impressive and to many more so in a different way is what Mayfield and Danville have been able to do consistently for decades. Both have managed to just win win win with very few bodies to draw from. Truly incredible, especially given that they have done so for decades

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    To me it seems like someone had too much haterrade before this status was made. I actually laughed while reading this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidTiger View Post
    To me it seems like someone had too much haterrade before this status was made. I actually laughed while reading this.
    No hate, but everyone knows Trinity wins because they have a large pool of boys and most of the better football players in Louisville choose to go there. The more they win, the more the good players want to play there. No problem. Could Trinity win the titles in the smaller class's if they just had 175 total boys to choose from? Of course we will never know but to say that Trinity is any more of a "dynasty" than some of the other programs in the state that win state titles regularly is absurd. Trinity is like a great white shark swimming in Kentucky lake.