KHSAA to adjust RPI

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    KHSAA to adjust RPI

    Starting this season the KHSAA will adjust the owp (opponents winning percentage) for out of state games. For 2019 all out of state teams were given an RPI of .500. Going forward the RPI will be adjusted to the winning percentage of all Kentucky schools the season prior. For the 2020 season out of state opponents owp will be adjusted to .5106.

    What are everyone's thoughts on this? I think it's a step forward in keeping some of the out of state play alive, rather than coaches just deciding to only or mostly play in state teams.

    KHSAA announces RPI tweaks for football | Sports | dailyindependent.com
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    There are several RPI threads already started but I could not decide which one this would fit in the best. If a moderator would like to merge it into an already existing thread feel free to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDEaston View Post
    There are several RPI threads already started but I couldnt decide which one this would fit in the best. If a moderator would like to merge it into an already existing thread feel free to do so.
    I think this is fair game for a new thread for discussion.

    I definitely think the out of state team RPI index needed to be adjusted. My question is how dramatic is the adjustment and what would it have meant using last years results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I think this is fair game for a new thread for discussion.

    I definitely think the out of state team RPI index needed to be adjusted. My question is how dramatic is the adjustment and what would it have meant using last years results?
    The article explains it further but the gist of it is that the KHSAA "determined" that using the prior seasons RPI is better than giving all out of state teams a .500 record. They also "determined" that the difference between out of state teams actual winning percentage and the new, adjusted RPI based off from KY teams prior seasons results is negligible at best. Doing it this way takes the extra bookwork out of it, compared to using out of state teams actual winning percentage. It's not perfect but certainly a step forward, imo.

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    Increase better than nothing. A better improvement would add a margin of victory component. I would give credit up to 36 points which is running clock threshold, so would still keep teams from running up score on weak opponents for RPI purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerpride94 View Post
    Increase better than nothing. A better improvement would add a margin of victory component. I would give credit up to 36 points which is running clock threshold, so would still keep teams from running up score on weak opponents for RPI purposes.
    Right, at some point if we want this to be as accurate as possible the running clock threshold has to come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerpride94 View Post
    Increase better than nothing. A better improvement would add a margin of victory component. I would give credit up to 36 points which is running clock threshold, so would still keep teams from running up score on weak opponents for RPI purposes.
    I haven't really studied the prior formula completely but they don't include margin of victory for in state games either do they? If they do not then I get why they aren't using that formula for out of state games as well.

    Basically this looks like a compromise to me. They don't want to do the bookwork to actually calculate an accurate winning percentage from out of state teams, so this is what they gave us. It's a step forward, obviously not perfect but still better than treating all of the out of state opponents as barely mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDEaston View Post
    I haven't really studied the prior formula completely but they don't include margin of victory for in state games either do they? If they do not then I get why they aren't using that formula for out of state games as well.

    Basically this looks like a compromise to me. They don't want to do the bookwork to actually calculate an accurate winning percentage from out of state teams, so this is what they gave us. It's a step forward, obviously not perfect but still better than treating all of the out of state opponents as barely mediocre.
    Margin of victory is not included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerpride94 View Post
    Margin of victory is not included.
    Like you and Guru I feel like it should be included as well. But it seems that the KHSAA doesn't want any more bookwork than they're already doing.

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    This RPI "change" is simply an acknowledgement of a flaw in the out-of-state calculation that results in minimal impact and requires minimal effort from the enforcement agency. Those of us that have presented valid evidence of how this system penalizes true strength of schedule are now relegated back to the "time-out" corner after receiving our treat. I think the t-shirt reads, "Nobody cares, work harder."

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    RPI scheduling note: find bad out of state teams to play.

    Seriously speaking, the bottom line here is, whatever. The impact is negligible.

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    Again, what's the point of RPI? Is it used for anything, or is it just for watercooler/discussion board talk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    Again, what's the point of RPI? Is it used for anything, or is it just for watercooler/discussion board talk?
    3rd and 4th rounds of football playoffs are seeded with RPI. This past season was 1st time using RPI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerpride94 View Post
    3rd and 4th rounds of football playoffs are seeded with RPI. This past season was 1st time using RPI.
    i understand the football side. Asking about roundball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    i understand the football side. Asking about roundball.
    It's not being used for anything in roundball, yet. I imagine the reason they're running the formula is a test run so to speak. In other words I could see them seeding the sweet16 in the not so distant future.

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