If the goal is a state championship would you rather coach at Lloyd or Scott?

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    If the goal is a state championship would you rather coach at Lloyd or Scott?

    Lloyd for me but I am getting up there in years and obviously things change.

    Considering the former Scott coach came from Lloyd, the new Scott coach came from Lloyd, and another Lloyd coach wanted to coach at Scott the guys actually doing the job prefer Scott over Lloyd.

    What do you think?
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    If you look at the last few years, 2A has been as difficult to win as 4A in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    If you look at the last few years, 2A has been as difficult to win as 4A in my opinion.
    I hear you but a couple of the heavy hitters moved up.

    Here is the current 2A alignment from the KHSAA:

    District 1 – Ballard Memorial, Caldwell County, Fort Campbell, Mayfield, Murray

    District 2 – Butler County, Hancock County, McLean County, Owensboro Catholic, Todd County Central

    District 3 – Clinton County, Edmonson County, Green County, Metcalfe County, Monroe County

    District 4 – Danville, Lexington Christian, Somerset, Washington County

    District 5 – Carroll County, Gallatin County, Owen County, Shawnee, Walton-Verona

    District 6 – Beechwood, Holy Cross (Covington), Lloyd Memorial, Newport

    District 7 – Breathitt County, Knott County Central, Leslie County, Middlesboro, Morgan County

    District 8 – Bath County, East Ridge, Prestonsburg, Shelby Valley, Sheldon Clark, West Carter


    Here is the current 4A alignment from the KHSAA:

    District 1 – Calloway County, Hopkins County Central, Hopkinsville, Logan County, Madisonville-North Hopkins

    District 2 – Allen County-Scottsville, Franklin-Simpson, Russell County, Warren Central, Warren East

    District 3 – John Hardin, Marion County, Moore, Spencer County, Valley

    District 4 – Central, Franklin County, North Oldham, Shelby County, Waggener

    District 5 – Anderson County, Bourbon County, Boyle County, Lexington Catholic

    District 6 – Boyd County, Harrison County, Holmes, Rowan County, Scott

    District 7 – Corbin, Knox Central, Lincoln County, Wayne County

    District 8 – Clay County, Harlan County, Johnson Central, Letcher County Central, Perry County Central

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    With Beechwood now in 2A District 6, it will be a difficult chore for the other three teams to advance.

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    I don't think it's about state championships. Not everybody is built to win a state championship, but that doesn't mean you can't have a very good/respectable program. I do think, though that you should look at being able to compete for your district and region championships.

    With the new playoff set up it's a no brainer that winning your district and getting to a region final is more realistic than it is with Lloyd being paired with Beechwood.

    However I feel that Lloyd has everything you need to compete with Beechwood. Their numbers are always solid and they have some blue collar-athletic kids. It won't happen overnight.

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    I'd say Scott is the better job (if only slightly) for the following reasons--

    1. Facilities are significantly better at Scott
    2. Lloyd will be hard pressed to win the district with Beechwood now in it. Interdistrict games in the playoff means needing to beat Beechwood every year to get to a regional final. Plus Holy Cross seems to put a good team on the field every few years, and Newport I believe is on the rise. Scott should win their district most years, and get a trip to the regional final with interdistrict games in the first two rounds. The sledding though gets very tough with Boyle, Lex Cath, or Anderson County waiting for them.

    Beyond those two issues, the jobs are pretty close. Both have solid middle school and feeder programs, good support in the community and administration. State Championships will be very hard for either to come by, but not impossible.

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    Scott job imo, they have a better shot at winning the 4A than Lloyd does winning the 2A. I like both jobs though, Both are solid teams.

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    LLOYD
    Pros:
    -Program history. This is going to be Lloyd's 92nd football season, and they have a lot history to draw from and try to instill a sense of tradition into the players.
    -Championship history. Lloyd beat Old Kentucky Home 27-0 in the 1965 1A finals, and beat Shelby County 24-0 in the 1976 3A state finals. That's some more heritage/tradition worth selling to the athletes on the field.
    -Recent successes. The Juggs saw a lot of things moving in a positive direction in recent years, including beating district rival New Cath for the first time in somewhere around 20 years. There are folks buying in.
    -Community support. Lloyd is small, but does have a fairly good amount of support from the community around the school.
    -2A class, across the state, doesn't have quite as many teams that can realistically contend for the state championship. Beechwood, Danville, Lexington Christian, Mayfield, and Somerset are the obvious big names in the 2A class.
    -Tough district competition. "Getting over the hump in district" for Lloyd means beating Beechwood.

    Cons:
    -The Erlanger-Elsmere school district is a low-income area, in an area with a number of higher income schools. Lots of families, given the chance, would likely prefer to move out of the Lloyd school district, given the opportunity.
    -Facilities. Lloyd's athletic facilities are old, and the football stadium is probably one of the most second-rate stadiums in northern Kentucky.
    -Transient student body. From talking with Lloyd administrators, I learned that Lloyd, Holmes, and Dayton are the top three school districts in northern Kentucky, and among the top 15 in the state for transience. That's due primarily to the extremenly high number of low-income households, and the even higher percentage of households living in rented housing. The number of households that shuffle from one low-income apartment to another is very high, and makes for a lot of students that will have multiple moves in a single year, at times. There are frequently double-digits of students who start out the year on the football team, and before the season even ends, they are living in a new school district.
    -General lack of funds. Erlanger-Elsmere is not a wealthy school district, and that translates into what funds they are (and more significantly, what they AREN'T) able to offer to their sports programs.


    SCOTT
    Pros:
    -School size. Scott is a decently large school in comparison to Lloyd. Win, lose, or draw, there are more boys walking the halls at Scott, and that should be able to translate into how many players they have go out for the football team.
    -Facilities...with a capital F. Scott's new athletic facilities are some of the nicest in northern Kentucky.
    -Recent success. Coach Woolley is leaving the football program in a good place. 2016 may have been a rough season for Scott, but the Eagles' 2015 trip to the 3rd round of the playoffs is still fairly solid in everyone's memories, and they've made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in each of the last 2 seasons. That's an unprecedented 4-year run for the Scott football program.
    -Very winnable district for Scott. Boyd County, Harrison County, Holmes and Rowan County are all very beatable teams for the Eagles.
    -Success in other athletic programs. Scott is finally starting to build somewhat of a name for itself after 40 years as a school.

    Cons:
    -Program tradition. Scott's football team has been around for over 35 years, but it hasn't had much success until recently under Coach Woolley's watch. I believe they still have more losing season records that winning season records. They've struggled to create a "tradition".
    -Open enrollment. Kenton County allows open enrollment among its district schools. If I'm a kid who wants to play football in a district school, chances are, I'm going to try to talk my parents into allowing me to go to Simon Kenton.
    -4A class in Kentucky has a lot of perennial power programs to compete against for state championships...Anderson County, Boyle County, Central, Corbin, Franklin-Simpson, Hopkinsville, Johnson Central, Lexington Catholic, Madisonville-North Hopkins. Stiff competition for a state championship.
    -Community support. It may be increasing in more recent years (I honestly don't know), but the football team, at least, used to have a pretty dismal turn-out on week to week in the stands - from parents and students both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    LLOYD
    Pros:
    -Program history. This is going to be Lloyd's 92nd football season, and they have a lot history to draw from and try to instill a sense of tradition into the players.
    -Championship history. Lloyd beat Old Kentucky Home 27-0 in the 1965 1A finals, and beat Shelby County 24-0 in the 1976 3A state finals. That's some more heritage/tradition worth selling to the athletes on the field.
    -Recent successes. The Juggs saw a lot of things moving in a positive direction in recent years, including beating district rival New Cath for the first time in somewhere around 20 years. There are folks buying in.
    -Community support. Lloyd is small, but does have a fairly good amount of support from the community around the school.
    -2A class, across the state, doesn't have quite as many teams that can realistically contend for the state championship. Beechwood, Danville, Lexington Christian, Mayfield, and Somerset are the obvious big names in the 2A class.
    -Tough district competition. "Getting over the hump in district" for Lloyd means beating Beechwood.

    Cons:
    -The Erlanger-Elsmere school district is a low-income area, in an area with a number of higher income schools. Lots of families, given the chance, would likely prefer to move out of the Lloyd school district, given the opportunity.
    -Facilities. Lloyd's athletic facilities are old, and the football stadium is probably one of the most second-rate stadiums in northern Kentucky.
    -Transient student body. From talking with Lloyd administrators, I learned that Lloyd, Holmes, and Dayton are the top three school districts in northern Kentucky, and among the top 15 in the state for transience. That's due primarily to the extremenly high number of low-income households, and the even higher percentage of households living in rented housing. The number of households that shuffle from one low-income apartment to another is very high, and makes for a lot of students that will have multiple moves in a single year, at times. There are frequently double-digits of students who start out the year on the football team, and before the season even ends, they are living in a new school district.
    -General lack of funds. Erlanger-Elsmere is not a wealthy school district, and that translates into what funds they are (and more significantly, what they AREN'T) able to offer to their sports programs.


    SCOTT
    Pros:
    -School size. Scott is a decently large school in comparison to Lloyd. Win, lose, or draw, there are more boys walking the halls at Scott, and that should be able to translate into how many players they have go out for the football team.
    -Facilities...with a capital F. Scott's new athletic facilities are some of the nicest in northern Kentucky.
    -Recent success. Coach Woolley is leaving the football program in a good place. 2016 may have been a rough season for Scott, but the Eagles' 2015 trip to the 3rd round of the playoffs is still fairly solid in everyone's memories, and they've made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in each of the last 2 seasons. That's an unprecedented 4-year run for the Scott football program.
    -Very winnable district for Scott. Boyd County, Harrison County, Holmes and Rowan County are all very beatable teams for the Eagles.
    -Success in other athletic programs. Scott is finally starting to build somewhat of a name for itself after 40 years as a school.

    Cons:
    -Program tradition. Scott's football team has been around for over 35 years, but it hasn't had much success until recently under Coach Woolley's watch. I believe they still have more losing season records that winning season records. They've struggled to create a "tradition".
    -Open enrollment. Kenton County allows open enrollment among its district schools. If I'm a kid who wants to play football in a district school, chances are, I'm going to try to talk my parents into allowing me to go to Simon Kenton.
    -4A class in Kentucky has a lot of perennial power programs to compete against for state championships...Anderson County, Boyle County, Central, Corbin, Franklin-Simpson, Hopkinsville, Johnson Central, Lexington Catholic, Madisonville-North Hopkins. Stiff competition for a state championship.
    -Community support. It may be increasing in more recent years (I honestly don't know), but the football team, at least, used to have a pretty dismal turn-out on week to week in the stands - from parents and students both.
    Support in the Scott community is very good and has been for several years. Since the feeder program (The TM Eagles) was introduced 7 or so years ago, football as a whole has been building. The success they’ve experienced at youth and middle school levels has helped start and maintain a football tradition of sorts, that has the potential to explode if they can take the next step at the high school level. Scott has had runs in basketball, soccer, baseball and volleyball over the last 5 years as well. Sports are a big deal in the building and in the community. There’s simply no comparing what things were like before Dave Campbell came to town in 2008 and set the foundation that Woolley built on.

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