Page 5 of Originally Posted by The Golfer Agreed, that's why I would make the limit in the low 50's at the highest. If the NFL can play with 53 there is no one w... 77 comments | 3083 Views | Go to page 1 →
Nov 18, 05, 08:53 AM #61Originally Posted by runningrefAdvertisement
Nov 18, 05, 09:02 AM #62Originally Posted by runningref
I guess using Beechwood as an example is a shot at me... For what it is worth I have been on a couple of football teams in my lifetime that never made the postseason.
You are always going to have statistical anomalies like St. X/Trinity and some very small schools but you can't have the tail wagging the dog because of it. Besides, T and X are still going to be grouped with all of the crybaby schools anyway so nothing will change in the 6A class.
Think about this (these numbers are off the top of my head) if these same rocket scientist proposing this garbage were in Ohio there would be something like 20 classes in football. If Ohio went to a 20 class football system they would be a laughingstock.
All of this brings me to my point, if we are going to water our football titles down to the point of being a national laughingstock (BECAUSE SIZE DOES MATTER) why aren't the same rocket scientist looking to classify basketball for the same reason?
Football and Basketball are different sports but the same logic still applies here and Pigskin said it better than I can so I am going to quote him:
The chances of digging up a diamond are greater when you take 1500 shovels of dirt vs taking 200 shovels of dirt and the chances are greater of getting a Chris Lofton when you are choosing from 1500 boys vs. choosing 200 boys, is it not?
All the one class basketball arguments remind of all the Bowl Champion Series garbage where everyone that benefits (this can be in several forms) from the current system gives the rest of us a million and one excuses why the BCS is the best way to do things when we all know D1 college football teams would be better served with a playoff system just like every other level of college, pro, and high school football.
Nov 18, 05, 09:08 AM #63
In a sense they have split classes in basketball. They now have the All A tournament. The good teams in class A get to compete for 2 state titles. Especially in girls basketball. I believe that Clinton Co. won( or at least played in the finals of the All A), and also played in the finals of the girls Sweet 16.
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Nov 18, 05, 09:13 AM #64Originally Posted by bucki
Nov 18, 05, 09:14 AM #65Originally Posted by 02Ram54
Nov 18, 05, 09:19 AM #66I played my high school sports in Virginia. There are 3 classes for every sport. You play the same size schools for every sport. Everyone in your football district is in your baseball, basketball, golf, etc... Why is this concept so hard to understand in Kentucky. I think the 6 class idea is a good idea; however this is only because the private vs. public failed. Which was the better idea in the first place. There is just not enough talent in the rest of the state to be on the same page competion wise, with these private schools. IMO Have the private schools in there own division. Go to a 3A or 4A system and have it in every sport. It works well in Virginia.
Nov 18, 05, 09:21 AM #67Please lets not go and mess with the State High School Basketball Tournament. They call it "The Greatest Show on Earth" for a reason. Nothing in this state compares or even comes close to the state tourney. As they say "If It Ain't Broke Don't Fix it" and no truer words could be spoken about the State Basketball Tournament.
Nov 18, 05, 09:28 AM #68Originally Posted by BIGZIG
Nov 18, 05, 09:28 AM #69
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Nov 18, 05, 09:46 AM #70Originally Posted by HHSDad
Nov 18, 05, 09:55 AM #71Leatherneck,
I agree with many of your points and for football having 70, 100, however many you want to dress works. Most football teams have a staff of many coaches. In soccer there is no way to carry a team of 30 or 40 varsity and 30 or 40 JV. You covered the issues with basketball. We simply do not have the staff(usually a head coach varsity and a head coach JV) to be able to efficiently run a practice for that large a number of players, much less a game. I agree with you to an extent that high school sports are about learning and growing as a person, I disagree with the idea that they should be focused first on participation. That is what recreational and intramural leagues are for. Playing a sport for your school is a privilege not a right.
Back on topic. Basketball has enough teams to seriously consider classification. I do think though that if you have ever participated in a non-class state championship tournament as either a player or a coach, you would realize how special that is. There is something magical about the sweet 16. Everyone plays everyone. I remember watching Cov Holy Cross, Paintsville, and Carlisle County have deep runs in the tourney and thinking how cool that must have been to know that your little school took on the best of the best and succeeded.
Nov 18, 05, 10:08 AM #72Originally Posted by BIGZIG
BigZig, remember the date of November 18, 2005 for on that date you and I agreed on something. There may be a few other dates like that ( I doubt there will be many ) but there is no doubt that I agree with you today on the above post.
Someone mentioned "today's generation" of head coaches wanting more classes so more kids get the opportunity to play in the playoffs. If that is the mentality of today's generation, maybe we should stop blaming all the big corporate execs for moving the jobs overseas and ask one another: can we blame them? Good lordy if this is the message we are teaching our kids: you don't have to work hard to succeed if you don't want to, we'll just measure success by lowering the bar, how in the heck can we expect these kids when the get into the workforce to be able to cut it.
Suck it up, work harder, get it done or at least lose with nobility. Somebody is always going to lose and if you lose the game after having done it all, after having given it all, you've actually won! I am proud to have been on a state championship team my senior year, but I am equally proud of my junior year where we worked just has hard but didn't even make it to the playoffs. Honestly the lessons I learned that year may mean more to me than my senior year and the state title.
Nov 18, 05, 10:21 AM #73
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I've got no problem with you disagreeing with me. I never said we have to now kick kids off the team just a dress limit. The KHSAA has no roster limits as of right now. Any body can still play football practice play JV or Freshman games and can stand on the sideline if they want but they should not be in uniform on Friday Night if they go over the dress limit.
If the KHSAA has those limits for other sports it's not fair for one kid to have to sit on the sideline in his sport while another can dress. It should be equal in all sports. No body seems to care if little peter doesn't make the basketball team but it's for the kids when it comes to football.
Soccer has a limit and they play on a bigger field than football.
I like my idea because I think it saves the private schools from being kicked out of the state. In the six class idea Jim Mckee is still in the same class as Trinity and St. X and he has been the leader of getting rid of them. Do you really think this will stop him and others?
If nothing is done the private schools will be gone very soon.
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Nov 18, 05, 10:21 AM #74Originally Posted by leatherneck
Nov 18, 05, 11:15 AM #75Originally Posted by The Golfer
Golf, you know I don't want to see them gone either. Heck, I'm looking forward to Highlands giving a little payback to the X Tigers next year and I don't care if they have 200 kids on the sideline.
I guess I feel if a kid is going to practice all week, go through all the two a days, go through the off season conditioning program, and maybe even give up another sport to play spring football, why shouldn't he be able to be on the sidelines in uniform? I mean really, unless you propose something like a limit of less than 50 for 4A, its not likely the kid you are going to force out of uniform on the sidelines is going to ever step foot on the field unless its a blowout. And if its a blowout and the deep subs are not able to be on the sideline, that means the starters or talented replacements are going to be kept in the game, which means a bigger blowout does it not? Which means more threads on here about running up the score, the losing kids self esteem being devastated, yada, yada, yada. Guru will be happy because we'll have a lot more threads and posts about running up the score, but that's about the only possible benefit I see from this idea. And who really cares about the Ru anyway .
I agree with you that it doesn't make sense that some of the other sports have roster limitations, just like I agree with the Ru that it doesn't make sense that some sports don't have classifications. I'd get rid of the KHSAA mandated roster limitation for all sports period. If the basketball coach wants to have roster limits due to practice time issues etc. that's his business. But if we are in the business of promoting high school sports because we believe that participation in athletics is beneficial to the kids, then really let them participate and that means be dressed and on the sidelines for the games. What realistically can it hurt? I mean realistically if a kid can do all the things that you espouse but just can't dress, what does it matter if he dresses. If a team is worrying about the number of kids on the other team running out from the locker room, they're already beat anyway in my opinion. Sorry to disagree with your idea. And can't you see how this idea could be just another step in the wrong direction of trying to mandate equality in everything between the schools? What will be proposed next to find that ever elusive level playing field?
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