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    Parents rarely have the "Answers", I've sat in the stands and listened to conversations long enough to know that the vast majority of parents are clueless.

    Coaches aren't perfect either...by profession they are some of the most stubborn people around.
    Parents frustration comes in when they see the coach do the same things over and over with poor results. Whether is it play calls, playing time or adjustments...coaches sometimes have preconceived ideas and never get beyond them, not all coaches but more than some would admit.

    By and far coaches know more than the parents, but it's not always exclusively that way.
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    I appreciate the responses and the spirit of your answers. This is good stuff. Thank you!

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    Sorry for the double post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake1978j View Post
    Chief,you coach my team and I'm a fan..... That being said, I have completely enjoyed watching how you have used the welcomed additions to this years team. It has been a treat! I especially like seeing the end arounds and handoffs to guys that are usually lined up wide. I of course don't know as much as you have forgotten, but it makes sense to me to get those guys touches, when the other means of doing so are well covered or for whatever reason. I can't recall making any statements, but if I have been one of "those fans" I don't know what I was thinking! Keep up the good work! Maybe those of us with full confidence, should speak up a little more with support. I can assure you of this, you have a lot more folks thinking as I do, than you do second guessing anything your doing. To borrow a post I love


    I love my coach
    I love my team

    Go TITANS!
    My question was not directed at Mercer or any one program. I meant it in general. I know the second guessing goes with the job. I just wanted to get into specifics and get some insights. This stuff has been really good. Glad I met you the other day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear the Nation View Post
    Apparently some Highlands parents know way more than the coaches and take offence if you don't agree with that fact. The evidence is in their threads the last couple weeks. Yeah I said it. Everyone likes to play a little monday morning QB. Some peoples arrogance takes it to a whole other level. Discussing the team and aspects of it is one thing. Outright undermining the staff and basically calling them incompetent is wrong. Sometimes coaching changes need to be made. That call should never be made by parents and fans who only have a short term interest in the program. There is so much that goes into coaching HS football that the AD and principal should have the only influence on who stays and who goes. Sometime it's a little more than just wins and losses. Coaches help build character and ethics in these young men and that is just as important. Most of them will hang up the cleats after HS and the lessons learned endure way after the Friday night lights have faded. Coaches spend way more time with the kids than the just product you see on Friday nights. Coaches want to win. It's unreasonable for parents or fans assume they can do better. Like I've said before stop running your gator, put in a resume to the AD get a job and prove it ,or shut up, sit down, cheer and clap and support your kids win or lose.
    Very well said. I can say with all my heart and soul Coach Dill and Coach Hall love's my son and I'm sure the rest of the boy's. I can tell you this from my own experience with both these fine coaches. This past summer we went to Clearwater Florida. We rented on the main drag where there was a lot of partying and a night club. With that being said Coach Dill Text Connor our entire trip making sure he was safe, telling him where to stay away from because come to find out right next door to our hotel at the Holiday Inn there was a police shooting. Little did we know the club was big trouble on the weekends with gang's. We didn't know. It was a high dollar well known hotel. But Coach Dill took the time out of his busy schedule and time away from his family to let Connor know he was watching out for him. That to me speaks volumes not only as a coach but as a person. All us parents should be grateful our boy's have this kind of men in their lives. I most certainly am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake2016 View Post
    Very well said. I can say with all my heart and soul Coach Dill and Coach Hall love's my son and I'm sure the rest of the boy's. I can tell you this from my own experience with both these fine coaches. This past summer we went to Clearwater Florida. We rented on the main drag where there was a lot of partying and a night club. With that being said Coach Dill Text Connor our entire trip making sure he was safe, telling him where to stay away from because come to find out right next door to our hotel at the Holiday Inn there was a police shooting. Little did we know the club was big trouble on the weekends with gang's. We didn't know. It was a high dollar well known hotel. But Coach Dill took the time out of his busy schedule and time away from his family to let Connor know he was watching out for him. That to me speaks volumes not only as a coach but as a person. All us parents should be grateful our boy's have this kind of men in their lives. I most certainly am.
    I agree. Win or lose these seniors are playing hard. For 99% It's their last year playing. I know losing is bad enough but the parents should not be making it worse. If they post it they probably say it, if they say it the kids hear it... Not cool at all. It's ok to feel the pain of losing but that's when these kids need your support and encouragement more than ever, even more than when you are winning. Supporting the kids starts with supporting the school, coaching staff, players on down to the ball boy. They watch how we act. Good luck to you, your son and his friends during a difficult season. Just so you know the rest of NKY really don't hate HHS, just that some of the posters ( parents) really need a dose of humility. That's why people are rooting against them. Winning doesn't automatically make you a superior person. Just means you won a game. Some could learn that.. Any way I've digressed. Good luck and support those young men. They will appreciate it for a lifetime.

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    I will say this tho. Fans get a bad rap too. It's not like the majority of fans don't want to win. And I think they generally mean well. As coaches we try to advoid those bad 5 play calls a game. That in it self shows we are not perfect or that we know it all. Just like a fans frustration is sometimes ill advised. Fans have a right to voice their opinions and we as coaches have the right to smile and ignore every thing they say lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefSmoke View Post
    My question was not directed at Mercer or any one program. I meant it in general. I know the second guessing goes with the job. I just wanted to get into specifics and get some insights. This stuff has been really good. Glad I met you the other day!

    It was good meeting you too.

    I guess I have experienced what you are specifically asking about, especially at the youth and middle school level. The grumblings I've heard sounded like this; " How is that when I was coaching them in youth ball, he runs for 10 TDs in a season, and now he only rushes if a play breaks down and a hand off is missed" or "so and so used to run the reverse a consistently break off big gainers and he never lets him run the ball at all"

    Those are two pretty accurate quotes I've been asked within the last week. I think what is happening in this and possibly other situations is that the former (youth) coach feels like some of his work has been in vein. He maybe thought that upon moving up the new coaches sould have invited him to have a conversation about the players he had become familiar with and kinda get his input. IDK if this ever happens, but maybe it should. Doesn't mean the new staff has to take any of the suggestions presented and do anything at all with them, but it could help in building a good relationship. Just a thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake1978j View Post
    It was good meeting you too.

    I guess I have experienced what you are specifically asking about, especially at the youth and middle school level. The grumblings I've heard sounded like this; " How is that when I was coaching them in youth ball, he runs for 10 TDs in a season, and now he only rushes if a play breaks down and a hand off is missed" or "so and so used to run the reverse a consistently break off big gainers and he never lets him run the ball at all"

    Those are two pretty accurate quotes I've been asked within the last week. I think what is happening in this and possibly other situations is that the former (youth) coach feels like some of his work has been in vein. He maybe thought that upon moving up the new coaches sould have invited him to have a conversation about the players he had become familiar with and kinda get his input. IDK if this ever happens, but maybe it should. Doesn't mean the new staff has to take any of the suggestions presented and do anything at all with them, but it could help in building a good relationship. Just a thought!
    I value the information I get from my MS coaches in regards to the incoming freshmen. I also value what our frosh coaches tell us about those kids when they become sophomores. I especially value the input of the HS position coaches.

    In regards to youth football, kids develop at different rates and they can change. The best lineman in 5th grade may be a RB in HS and vice versa. Mikah Turner (Mason County) was a very good offensive tackle as a freshman and all through HS. Had he played in college, he most definitely would have been better at TE. We chose to leave him at OT & DE because at those positions he would never come off the field and he was a very good player. He went on to be a great basketball player at Berea. One of the highlights for me coaching the KY All Stars versus Tennessee was when Brandon Deaderick didn't want to go to sleep and stayed up late, talking about lining up across from Mikah. Players certainly evolve and change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear the Nation View Post
    I agree. Win or lose these seniors are playing hard. For 99% It's their last year playing. I know losing is bad enough but the parents should not be making it worse. If they post it they probably say it, if they say it the kids hear it... Not cool at all. It's ok to feel the pain of losing but that's when these kids need your support and encouragement more than ever, even more than when you are winning. Supporting the kids starts with supporting the school, coaching staff, players on down to the ball boy. They watch how we act. Good luck to you, your son and his friends during a difficult season. Just so you know the rest of NKY really don't hate HHS, just that some of the posters ( parents) really need a dose of humility. That's why people are rooting against them. Winning doesn't automatically make you a superior person. Just means you won a game. Some could learn that.. Any way I've digressed. Good luck and support those young men. They will appreciate it for a lifetime.
    Absolutely. My son hates losing and is very frustrated in what's happening but he also isn't completely blaming the coaches, he's said from day 1 for a lot of these boy's it's just the fact that they can say they are on a team that they care about. Aren't really interested in doing anything to make a difference. When I say what about this one or that one it's always a mom your not at our practices. And well no I'm not. Thank you for not hating all of us, I'm certainly not one of the clan. I'll tell you exactly what I think and I won't hide behind my fake name. I've made it very clear who I am. Do I think my son is the best? Heck no. Can I see him being hard to coach heck yes. But I do know at the end of the day he does give it his all and if that's not good enough oh well.
    He's not their to impress anyone, but he is there to play a game and one he absolutely loves. SO A BIG THANKS

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    Most people think their kids are better than the other kids. They see only the good things their child contribute and are doubly critical of the mistakes other players make. So, IMO, and as a parent who has been there...the coach is usually right in the big picture. Coaches think with their heads, and parents think with their hearts.

    Sometimes there are bad coaches, but I do not think that is usually the case. I cannot imagine a large crowd of people watching me at work and yelling out their "expert opinions and advice" God bless the coaches of the world!

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    I have seen this alot..... a team is losing and it turns into a moral/ethical issue... attitude, lack of heart, commitment, toughness, etc. In my opinion, most of the time, the other teams have better players. I think it is better to focus on making the kids better players than go down that road of blaming the kids and their lack of intrinsic motivation or intangibles.

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    The other thing coaches are teaching our life lessons. There maybe a reason someone is not playing the fans do not know about. He could have poor grades, getting punished, bad attitude, not putting in the work, etc. Fans want the best athlete playing but if he isn't "doing work", a coach maybe playing a lesser playing willing to work his tail off. This isn't the NFL or college, high school coaches are shaping young lives.

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    @Jumper_Dad 's post #16 resonated a lot.

    As a parent of 3 boys who were at different places in the spectrum I can say that consistency and fairness and opportunity to contribute and grow are key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear the Nation View Post
    Apparently some Highlands parents know way more than the coaches and take offence if you don't agree with that fact. The evidence is in their threads the last couple weeks. Yeah I said it. Everyone likes to play a little monday morning QB. Some peoples arrogance takes it to a whole other level. Discussing the team and aspects of it is one thing. Outright undermining the staff and basically calling them incompetent is wrong. Sometimes coaching changes need to be made. That call should never be made by parents and fans who only have a short term interest in the program. There is so much that goes into coaching HS football that the AD and principal should have the only influence on who stays and who goes. Sometime it's a little more than just wins and losses. Coaches help build character and ethics in these young men and that is just as important. Most of them will hang up the cleats after HS and the lessons learned endure way after the Friday night lights have faded. Coaches spend way more time with the kids than the just product you see on Friday nights. Coaches want to win. It's unreasonable for parents or fans assume they can do better. Like I've said before stop running your gator, put in a resume to the AD get a job and prove it ,or shut up, sit down, cheer and clap and support your kids win or lose.

    This question and thread took me back about 11 months or so. Check out the Simon Kenton 41 Ryle 23 thread from November 13, 2015 and you'll see some familiar posters that knew a lot more than the Ryle coaches last year. Ironic.

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