Do The Beechwood Tigers Need a Change?

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    I will leave the coaching debate to you all. But, I love me some Voice of Reason. He's a great guy and a class act. I hate to see him taking the brunt of the dissatisfaction for taking up for his coach and program. That's the way it's supposed to be.

    Keep it up VOR, if it was easy everyone would do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    I will leave the coaching debate to you all. But, I love me some Voice of Reason. He's a great guy and a class act. I hate to see him taking the brunt of the dissatisfaction for taking up for his coach and program. That's the way it's supposed to be.

    Keep it up VOR, if it was easy everyone would do it.

    I like VOR too. I mean I don't really know who he or she is, but I am certain our paths have crossed. I am all for defending "his coach and program". You just can't do it blindly and keep waiting for next year. Those of us suggesting changes or adjustments are for "our program" too.

    It is like the old political debates...you can disagree with the other point of view without thinking the person is an awful human being. I, for one, like Rash and want him to stay, but want him to sincerely look at the whole program and make changes as they are warranted. To not do so would be to say that everything is alright and it is not despite what vocal backers like VOR might think. You are hearing from many long time supporters of the program that are saying the same thing without sons on the team or anything like that. So while we may be biased (wanting the best for the Tigers), it is not with a selfish intent of wanting our little Johnny or Timmy to play more, or start at quarterback or anything like that.

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    Ok, I fibbed, I will venture into the coaching debate a little.

    Here is Beechwood's exit points over Rash's head coaching career:
    2013 - Regional Runner-up
    2012 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion
    2011 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up
    2010 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion
    2009 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up
    2008 - State Champions
    2007 - State Champions
    2006 - Lost in Second Round to eventual State Champion

    I know some will give me the "we expect more at Beechwood" argument, but in reality that is crap. Every team in the state expects more. My Raceland used to lose in the first round and second round every year to Beechwood and NCC. Did we expect more? Heck yes we did, but we were playing some of the best teams in the state in first and second round. It was a big accomplishment to get a win there. And, when we did beat NCC, it was a big deal. Did we expect more? Yep. But, we got what we got.

    So, in 8 years Beechwood has:
    2 State Championships
    6 Regional Championships
    1 Regional Runner-Up
    7 District Championships
    1 Disappointing finish in Round two to the eventual State Champions

    Forgive me if I don't cry a river for the misery of Beechwood. How many other programs in the state have had this kind of success in the last 8 years? I venture a guess that there aren't many.

    If you all only knew how childish and spoiled you all sound for complaining about the success of Beechwood. In fact, I venture a guess that most people around the state are reading this thread and shaking their heads saying, "what a bunch of spoiled brats". If you all don't want Rash put out a offer for a trade. I venture to say there would be plenty of offers to trade coaches with you. Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75center View Post
    Interesting considering Rash has done better than Barre.
    Curious what metric are you using to compare the two ?
    State titles ? OK...Rash has one more.
    I would argue Barre accomplished more with less than Rash. Barre built that program and put them in position to have the success they had in the 90's and beyond. Barre is 7th all time in wins in the state of Ohio and a member of the Ohio HS hall of Fame. Not to shabby. I hope in 20 years we can say the same about Coach Rash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    Ok, I fibbed, I will venture into the coaching debate a little.

    Here is Beechwood's exit points over Rash's head coaching career:
    2013 - Regional Runner-up
    2012 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion
    2011 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up
    2010 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion
    2009 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up
    2008 - State Champions
    2007 - State Champions
    2006 - Lost in Second Round to eventual State Champion

    I know some will give me the "we expect more at Beechwood" argument, but in reality that is crap. Every team in the state expects more. My Raceland used to lose in the first round and second round every year to Beechwood and NCC. Did we expect more? Heck yes we did, but we were playing some of the best teams in the state in first and second round. It was a big accomplishment to get a win there. And, when we did beat NCC, it was a big deal. Did we expect more? Yep. But, we got what we got.

    So, in 8 years Beechwood has:
    2 State Championships
    6 Regional Championships
    1 Regional Runner-Up
    7 District Championships
    1 Disappointing finish in Round two to the eventual State Champions

    Forgive me if I don't cry a river for the misery of Beechwood. How many other programs in the state have had this kind of success in the last 8 years? I venture a guess that there aren't many.

    If you all only knew how childish and spoiled you all sound for complaining about the success of Beechwood. In fact, I venture a guess that most people around the state are reading this thread and shaking their heads saying, "what a bunch of spoiled brats". If you all don't want Rash put out a offer for a trade. I venture to say there would be plenty of offers to trade coaches with you. Amazing.
    The bolded is to what I was referring to in my last post. It may not be fair, but it is because of what Beechwood gad built as far as their football team. Just like Highlands and although it sounds arrogant, it is what it is and that is a tradition of winning. If Highlands lost Dale they would still expect state titles more than 2 times a decade. Beechwood because of what Yeagle had built also expects to win. It may not be fair, but it is the nature of the beast. It is the same as Trinity. If they get a new coach how long do you think the fans will stay quiet if trinity doesn't wi. A title in 5 years?

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    FWIW, I'm just going to post my thoughts on Beechwood season this past year and overall as a program.

    Regardless of the outcome this year, as many can agree it was disappointing, the Beechwood school and football program as a whole is one of the most elite in the state. I'm not specifically talking coaching in that aspect but from a facility, talent in 1A, and product they provide on the field each year they are definitely one of the most reputable football schools around. I think we can all agree that majority of parents around NKY area would have minimal doubts about the quality of education and or student athlete experience their children would have at Beechwood.

    Now with that being said, it's very clear that the Rash regime hasn't dominated as most would like to see such as the Yeagle regime. First, I think everyone must take a look at how high school football has changed over the years. 10 years ago barely any schools had turf and going back even further most high school teams/games were dominated by the run. Now in high school, college, and pros a lot of schools/teams are turning to spread style offenses and QB's are the most decorated players at any level. Not that QB's never were but RB's careers are becoming shorter and shorter and QB's like Manning, Brady, and Favre are playing into their 40's at a very high level. In the NFL we have some solid RB's like AP however, I feel like 10 to 20 years ago we had a plethora of great RB's. Just a thought but could the mold of old typical Beechwood regime being a run first team and now clearly this teams needs to be a pass first team be causing some of the issue?

    From what I have seen over Rash's regime is that they prefer to be a run first team and defense oriented. I feel bad for some of the kids who have to hear that BW defense this year was the let down because, imo, in the critical games they lost it was the offense that couldn't convert. For example, BW held Franklin County in the 20's and offense couldn't convert in second half and down the stretch. Against CCH they held them in the 20's but again the offense couldn't convert. Dixie they got off to a hot start and then failed to put any points up in the second half. NCC they jumped out to a 21-point lead and again failed to score down the stretch. Also, in the NCC game their defense generated turnovers that led to the points...The defense even had two critical stops down the stretch and one resulted in a missed field goal. You can't expect your defense to stop a good team 3 straight possessions when NCC gets the ball three times on Beechwood's side of the field.

    I guess to sum up what I am saying is that I personally don't think the defense is the reason for BW's struggles this year. For one, everyone I can hope agree that BW just struggled to establish a solid running game against GOOD teams. Sure they ran all over the teams they steam rolled but against the better teams they lost to or struggled with it was evident a consistent running game was lacking. I got the impression that BW and it's coaching staff just kept trying and trying to make it known that they could run the ball but at what point do u decide, hey we just aren't a run first team this year and instead really buy in to your soph. QB who has stud capabilities? I find it kind of funny how the article before the Frankfort game said that BW had a plethora of solid WR's yet BW completed I think 3 passes against Frankfort? How does that happen? As a coaching staff when you don't enforce your strengths on your opponent how can you expect a favorable outcome?

    It was clear that studer was the best RB in terms of hitting the holes and getting short yardage. Stringer, imo, isn't an every down back that needs 20 carries a game, at least not yet, and honestly he may be more explosive as a slot wr and third down back. When he runs he doesn't like to hit the holes and tends to try and break outside. Studer the complete opposite loves contact and will run it down your throat. With Studer going out early against Frankfort obviously changed the game plan but I don't feel confident in saying that the BW staff really recognized the loss of studer and adjusted accordingly. I feel like Feiger just really couldn't get going and as a coaching staff even if it takes a couple quick out routes or whatever necessary but you have to get him in some sort of rhythm. A couple play calls BW was throwing 30-yard passes rather than focusing on moving the chains....

    Another change that wasn't made until late in the 4th quarter was to add another defensive lineman and only use two cornerbacks and a safety. BW kept using 4 defensive backs and not crowding the box every play. Everyone on the field and in the stands knew Frankfort was going to run 85% of the time so why not force them to throw? If they beat you throwing you can tip your cap and say hey they made it happen but when you let a team use their strengths to beat you.... I fail to see how that is a good strategy? Even if Frankfort knew you were sending every defensive player on a blitz at least make them throw the ball. It got tiresome watching #44 get 5 to 8 yards every carry.

    Beechwood is a 1A school and whether they win or lose state titles the excuse being young will never suffice in my book simply because the majority of Beechwood teams that are going to be capable of winning titles will be young regardless. They just don't have the numbers, more times then not, to be a veteran team. Sometimes this will occur but most of the time it won't. Beechwood has to rely on some of the younger and more talented players to step in vital roles. It just the way it is at a 1A school. It's not a Trinity or GCL type school with those type of numbers and talent.

    Another poster alluded to the fact that the upper classman had enough talent to win a state title but that not all-upper classman were utilized because coaching staff was focused on using the outstanding soph. class. I agree with this in terms of BW not fully utilizing some of their players. Although BW had a solid amount of WR’s I felt like it became diluted rather than establishing a solid core. I believe that in any sport at the High School level you need to develop those go to guys in crunch time. I don’t believe the coaching staff ever really did that. I agree it’s nice to have all kinds of options but I feel like by using 7 or 8 WR’s it was a detriment to some of the more talented WR’s on the team. A great coaching staff will find creative ways to get their most talented players involved at maximum capacity and I’m not so sure BW did that. At times they really utilized stokes but then in other games they didn’t. I just don’t see why you don’t go with the best option all the time?!
    With all of this being said, Rash is a great teacher on and off the field there is no doubt about that. At BW, players, students, parents, fans, administration expect championships and when they come up short no one is satisfied. This is a solid testament to the high expectations, which is great in terms of constantly trying improve the program, but we also need to be realistic with ourselves. As it was mentioned in this thread, the majority of these kids aren’t going to the pros so the most important thing is that they become better men who are prepared for the rest of their lives. I believe Rash demands the respect necessary and teaches life lessons, however with the resume he has built at BW, I would have to say it’s been good but not great. I think improvements can definitely be made and it’s obvious that the program hasn’t been going up rather down the last few years. Just because that’s the case doesn’t mean that the entire staff needs a renovation but it’s definitely evident that evaluating some changes couldn’t hurt…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    The bolded is to what I was referring to in my last post. It may not be fair, but it is because of what Beechwood gad built as far as their football team. Just like Highlands and although it sounds arrogant, it is what it is and that is a tradition of winning. If Highlands lost Dale they would still expect state titles more than 2 times a decade. Beechwood because of what Yeagle had built also expects to win. It may not be fair, but it is the nature of the beast. It is the same as Trinity. If they get a new coach how long do you think the fans will stay quiet if trinity doesn't wi. A title in 5 years?
    I understand the expectations, and heck, I don't even disagree with it. But, the Beechwood fans have to look at what they have been up against in the last eight years. Mayfield with four years of Jonathan Jackson and NCC being in their district.

    Yes, those other programs expect to win as well, but even the Highland's fans have said their streak will come to an end sooner or later. And, Trinity has hit a bump in the road. Beechwood is having more trouble then normal.

    But, no one can complain about Beechwood's success in the last eight years and be taken seriously by people around the state. The success is there. Is it what all the Beechwood faithful want? No, but it's like winning $10,000,000 dollars in the lottery then complaining about having to pay $2,000,000 taxes on it. Winning $8,000,000 is still not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    Ok, I fibbed, I will venture into the coaching debate a little.

    Here is Beechwood's exit points over Rash's head coaching career:
    2013 - Regional Runner-up
    2012 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion
    2011 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up
    2010 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion
    2009 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up
    2008 - State Champions
    2007 - State Champions
    2006 - Lost in Second Round to eventual State Champion

    I know some will give me the "we expect more at Beechwood" argument, but in reality that is crap. Every team in the state expects more. My Raceland used to lose in the first round and second round every year to Beechwood and NCC. Did we expect more? Heck yes we did, but we were playing some of the best teams in the state in first and second round. It was a big accomplishment to get a win there. And, when we did beat NCC, it was a big deal. Did we expect more? Yep. But, we got what we got.

    So, in 8 years Beechwood has:
    2 State Championships
    6 Regional Championships
    1 Regional Runner-Up
    7 District Championships
    1 Disappointing finish in Round two to the eventual State Champions

    Forgive me if I don't cry a river for the misery of Beechwood. How many other programs in the state have had this kind of success in the last 8 years? I venture a guess that there aren't many.

    If you all only knew how childish and spoiled you all sound for complaining about the success of Beechwood. In fact, I venture a guess that most people around the state are reading this thread and shaking their heads saying, "what a bunch of spoiled brats". If you all don't want Rash put out a offer for a trade. I venture to say there would be plenty of offers to trade coaches with you. Amazing.
    So all is well and no adjustments needed ?
    I have never said Rash should be removed.
    I do not expect you to understand the difference in expectations at Beechwood compared to Raceland or you name the program.
    As for spoiled brats ? That would not be the first time that was said for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z5 View Post
    So all is well and no adjustments needed ?
    I have never said Rash should be removed.
    I do not expect you to understand the difference in expectations at Beechwood compared to Raceland or you name the program.
    As for spoiled brats ? That would not be the first time that was said for sure.
    Likewise, I don't expect you to understand what everyone else is thinking. But, as you were. Tell us how bad you all have it.

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    I'll take care of this for you all. Just copy and paste this into an email.

    Coach Rash,
    After an exhaustive discussion on Bluegrasspreps, it has been decided that you are just not living up to the Beechwood standard. We know you to be an intelligent man and we are sure you have already come to this conclusion on your own. We mean it is plain to see that you have terrible underachieved in your eight seasons with the Tigers, with only two State Championships, a meager 6 Regional Championships and 7 District Titles. Your win loss record is also of concern. 84-27 is not getting it done. After all, you are averaging 3.3 losses per season. And your 10 wins per season is really not what we are looking for. We are attaching your accomplishments and failures below for your edification.

    We, as a fan base, have to expect more from our program. And, although we appreciate your efforts, we are now ready to head in a new direction. We wish you luck in your future endeavors and hope your time at Beechwood has been something that you remember with fondness.

    Here is Beechwood's exit points over Rash's head coaching career:
    2013 - Regional Runner-up……………………………………………….…8-5
    2012 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion…...9-5
    2011 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up………………...12-2
    2010 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion…..10-4
    2009 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up………………...9-5
    2008 - State Champions…………………………………………………...14-1
    2007 - State Champions…………………………………………………...13-2
    2006 - Lost in Second Round to eventual State Champion.9-3

    In 8 years Beechwood has:
    2 State Championships
    6 Regional Championships
    1 Regional Runner-Up
    7 District Championships
    1 Disappointing finish in Round two to the eventual State Champions
    Amassed a record of: 84-27
    Averaged 10.5 wins per year
    Averaged 3.3 loses per year

    Thank you again,
    The Beechwood Fan Base

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpick View Post
    As a matter of fact I thought of you as I was thinking about this thread and how I see Bw which is different than the locals see it say maybe you and a few others
    Plus, you have been on here for the last couple of years who BW has beaten they they were the underdog, did you ever get an answer? As no one seems to be answering now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    I'll take care of this for you all. Just copy and paste this into an email.

    Coach Rash,
    After an exhaustive discussion on Bluegrasspreps, it has been decided that you are just not living up to the Beechwood standard. We know you to be an intelligent man and we are sure you have already come to this conclusion on your own. We mean it is plain to see that you have terrible underachieved in your eight seasons with the Tigers, with only two State Championships, a meager 6 Regional Championships and 7 District Titles. Your win loss record is also of concern. 84-27 is not getting it done. After all, you are averaging 3.3 losses per season. And your 10 wins per season is really not what we are looking for. We are attaching your accomplishments and failures below for your edification.

    We, as a fan base, have to expect more from our program. And, although we appreciate your efforts, we are now ready to head in a new direction. We wish you luck in your future endeavors and hope your time at Beechwood has been something that you remember with fondness.

    Here is Beechwood's exit points over Rash's head coaching career:
    2013 - Regional Runner-up……………………………………………….…8-5
    2012 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion…...9-5
    2011 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up………………...12-2
    2010 - Lost in Semi-Finals to eventual State Champion…..10-4
    2009 - Lost in Semi-Finals to State Runner-Up………………...9-5
    2008 - State Champions…………………………………………………...14-1
    2007 - State Champions…………………………………………………...13-2
    2006 - Lost in Second Round to eventual State Champion.9-3

    In 8 years Beechwood has:
    2 State Championships
    6 Regional Championships
    1 Regional Runner-Up
    7 District Championships
    1 Disappointing finish in Round two to the eventual State Champions
    Amassed a record of: 84-27
    Averaged 10.5 wins per year
    Averaged 3.3 loses per year

    Thank you again,
    The Beechwood Fan Base
    I will support Coach Rash.
    His record is impressive.
    Ray Charles can see changes are needed.
    I am confident they will happen.
    These types of debates are the very foundation on which BGP was built
    and I have enjoyed debating this and your post was very clever and funny !
    Have a good night and a better week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z5 View Post
    I will support Coach Rash.
    His record is impressive.
    Ray Charles can see changes are needed.
    I am confident they will happen.
    These types of debates are the very foundation on which BGP was built
    and I have enjoyed debating this and your post was very clever and funny !
    Have a good night and a better week.
    Hey, if I can't make it fun what's the point?

    The simple fact is, Beechwood is a top tier program and will remain there. I know people are disappointed with some results, but it will get better. Tigers will be on top again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z5 View Post
    I do not expect you to understand the difference in expectations at Beechwood compared to Raceland or you name the program.
    As for spoiled brats ? That would not be the first time that was said for sure.

    Ram

    I agree with Z, unless you are a part of a program with the history and tradition like this it is impossible to understand it. I'm sure to you it does seem crazy but it's like a drug addict once you get it in your system there is no going back

    I still think Rash may solve the Bw situation, it took us a couple of years to get the new offense rolling and while we were in the development and learning stages we still relied more on our old ways. Alot of it has to do with a coach learning to trust a new direction that he is not comfortable with, I think we saw alot of that with Bw this year. I do think Showtime hit on one thing Rash and staff have done poorly with and that is in game adjustments and halftime adjustments.

    A final thought is that there have been rumblings the last couple of years after Bw has been put out and it last a couple of weeks then dies mostly out. I predict the same will happen here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpick View Post
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    I agree with Z, unless you are a part of a program with the history and tradition like this it is impossible to understand it. I'm sure to you it does seem crazy but it's like a drug addict once you get it in your system there is no going back
    I know it may be hard for some to believe but, Raceland expects to win as well (we normally win 9 or 10 games a year). No, we haven't had the playoff success of Beechwood and Mayfield, but nonetheless, we expect it.

    After last year's earlier then expected loss I made some critical comments about our coaching staff. I was upset. Our Head Coach didn't take that well, and he shouldn't have. What I'm trying to tell the Beechwood fans is, it happens, it's not necessarily the coaching staff. They have a very good coaching staff. At the end of the day, it's teenagers making plays.

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