Page 2 of I can't find the entire Cantrall Ratings on the HLH website, but Mike Fields has the top 25 posted in his blog. Look for the entire Ratings to be in tomorrow's edition. Cantrall rates Bowling Green, Scott Co., Highlands 1-2-3 Posted on September 8, 2013 by Mike Fields The ratings of all the qualifying teams in the state will be on Kentucky.com and in the Herald-Leader print edition on Monday. 1. Bowling Green (2-0) 2. Scott County (3-0) 3. Highlands (3-0)... 39 comments | 2130 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    That is a terrible ranking! 2 2A schools should be in the top 25, IMHO. Both, Caldwell County and DeSales, should be ranked, and DeSales should be ranked ahead of John Hardin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamKiller View Post
    That is a terrible ranking! 2 2A schools should be in the top 25, IMHO. Both, Caldwell County and DeSales, should be ranked, and DeSales should be ranked ahead of John Hardin!
    i agree 100% with dreamkiller 3 of the #1 ranked teams are from west ky

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    The full ratings are now posted on the HLH website

    Here is the top 5 in each class:

    CLASS 6A

    1. Scott Co. 93.0
    2. St. Xavier 90.4
    3. Bryan Station 79.1
    4. Male 79.0
    5. Simon Kenton 78.6

    CLASS 5A
    1. Bowling Green 94.4
    2. John Hardin 80.2
    3. Conner 77.7
    4. Harlan Co. 77.1
    5. Cooper 75.7


    CLASS 4A

    1. Highlands 92.2
    2. Boyle Co. 85.0
    3. Cov. Catholic 84.8
    4. Lex. Catholic 84.6
    5. Collins 74.9


    CLASS 3A

    1. Belfry 79.1
    2. Central 77.6
    3. Pad. Tilghman 70.5
    4. Bourbon Co. 70.2
    5. Bell Co. 70.0


    CLASS 2A

    1. DeSales 72.4
    2. Newport Cath. 72.0
    3. Lou. Christian 70.5
    4. Caldwell Co. 67.8
    5. Danville 65.1


    CLASS A

    1. Mayfield 75.9
    2. Russellville 59.8
    3. Frankfort 59.4
    4. Raceland 57.2
    5. Hazard 55.2



    Read more here: High school football: Dave Cantrall's Rating the State | High school football | Kentucky.com

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    Today's published rankings still has Mayfield losing to Paducah. That is an inexcusable embarrassment to Cantrall IMO.

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    Obviously the error on the Mayfield/Tilghman game is causing a problem with those two teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnboy13 View Post
    A monkey and a handful of darts could come up with a better list.
    You mean this ISN"T how Cantral does his rankings?

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    Bryan station 3rd in 6A....

    Ummmmmm............

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVMan23 View Post

    You mean this ISN"T how Cantral does his rankings?

    <img src="http://bluegrasspreps.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41090"/>
    Lol. OUCH!!!!

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    I'm curious what the formula for this ranking is. Obviously has a lot to do with how strong the computer feels the team's opponents are. BG with a 94, NCC with a 70 although struggling thus far, Caldwell County's low rating (probably again, due to the system's view of their SOS), also Mayfield's seemingly ridiculous rating for a 1A school (again, definitely has to do with the quality teams they have faced thus far). I still can't wrap my mind around though that SK is legitimately top 10 in state this year from the seems of it. Not knocking it at all, they seem to be pretty good and I'm curious how they finish out this year.

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    Some of our posters need to familiarize themselves with the difference between a "ranking" and a "rating." These are ratings. Computerized calculations of available data (and after three weeks there isn't much). It doesn't necessarily mean one team is better, but it will eventually be fairly accurate by the late season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandgold View Post
    I'm curious what the formula for this ranking is. Obviously has a lot to do with how strong the computer feels the team's opponents are. BG with a 94, NCC with a 70 although struggling thus far, Caldwell County's low rating (probably again, due to the system's view of their SOS), also Mayfield's seemingly ridiculous rating for a 1A school (again, definitely has to do with the quality teams they have faced thus far). I still can't wrap my mind around though that SK is legitimately top 10 in state this year from the seems of it. Not knocking it at all, they seem to be pretty good and I'm curious how they finish out this year.
    At this point you have to have Simon Kenton in the top 10. They will likely stay there most of the year. The second last game of the season they play Dixie Heights. That game is going to be a good one and may be the only game that keeps them from an undefeated season. SK plays Campbell County two weeks before that and that will be a tough one also, but I think the Dixie game is their toughest challenge this year.

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    I can't put any credibility in this poll (if there would ever be in the first place) until all teams considered have played two games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOINGFOR2 View Post
    Bryan station 3rd in 6A....

    Ummmmmm............

    The computer thinks Bryan Station gave Highlands a competitive game

    It cant see what the actual score was when starters were pulled
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLCat View Post
    The computer thinks Bryan Station gave Highlands a competitive game

    It cant see what the actual score was when starters were pulled
    If I may borrow a theme from the Reds game threads, that is why the "eye test" is often needed versus pure stats.

    As gchs posted above, this rating system will get more accurate as the season moves on and more data is included. Here are some details on the data Cantrall uses:


    Litkenhous used a "difference-by-score" formula similar to many used today, although adjustments have been made with time. Cantrall uses a formula based on offense, defense, margin of victory, strength of schedule, win-loss records and opponents win-loss records. He could tell you the formula, but then he'd be out of a job.

    Here is a link to the entire article:

    http://www.cincinnati.com/preps/2004...rep4ernst.html

    As you can see, this article is from 2004. It could be the formula has been tweaked since then. There also is information and comments about Massey in the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gchs_uk9 View Post
    Some of our posters need to familiarize themselves with the difference between a "ranking" and a "rating." These are ratings. Computerized calculations of available data (and after three weeks there isn't much). It doesn't necessarily mean one team is better, but it will eventually be fairly accurate by the late season.
    Bingo. Computer ratings systems are not a poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandgold View Post
    I'm curious what the formula for this ranking is. Obviously has a lot to do with how strong the computer feels the team's opponents are. BG with a 94, NCC with a 70 although struggling thus far, Caldwell County's low rating (probably again, due to the system's view of their SOS), also Mayfield's seemingly ridiculous rating for a 1A school (again, definitely has to do with the quality teams they have faced thus far). I still can't wrap my mind around though that SK is legitimately top 10 in state this year from the seems of it. Not knocking it at all, they seem to be pretty good and I'm curious how they finish out this year.
    What do you mean by Mayfield's ridiculous rating? Too high? Too Low?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gchs_uk9 View Post
    Some of our posters need to familiarize themselves with the difference between a "ranking" and a "rating." These are ratings. Computerized calculations of available data (and after three weeks there isn't much). It doesn't necessarily mean one team is better, but it will eventually be fairly accurate by the late season.
    Rankings, ratings, 6 or half dozen, one or the other. One could say Cantral is using these "ratings" to "rank" teams I suppose. Of course these "ratings" can and usually will be way off this early in the season, not enough info to put in the computer to accurately reflect much at this point. And take into account it only reflects KY teams played, just makes it even less accurate. But it's fun to talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakesnot_2000 View Post
    What do you mean by Mayfield's ridiculous rating? Too high? Too Low?

    Yea shouldn't we be #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVMan23 View Post
    Rankings, ratings, 6 or half dozen, one or the other. One could say Cantral is using these "ratings" to "rank" teams I suppose. Of course these "ratings" can and usually will be way off this early in the season, not enough info to put in the computer to accurately reflect much at this point. And take into account it only reflects KY teams played, just makes it even less accurate. But it's fun to talk about.
    I disagree on the rating/ranking thing. But you are right about them being way off early in the season. They always are. It is the same reason the BCS Ratings never came out until October. There just wasn't enough information this early in the season to give an accurate account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakesnot_2000 View Post
    What do you mean by Mayfield's ridiculous rating? Too high? Too Low?
    It's a compliment and is impressive. In the computer they're just way above 1A in this statistical category. Like I said, it definitely has to do with Mayfield's games to start the season.