D-1 player born or made

Page 8 of Originally Posted by Mustang75 My question is. Is a D1 full schorlship played born or made with hard work? Are the phyiscal skill needed to play at tha... 141 comments | 5401 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    College coaches can't flood the stands on Friday nights because they have a GAME to play on Saturday. Thanks Cpt Obvious. They do have this amazing technology called video that does allow them to see a ton of games.

    When did I deny camps and combines are part of the process? They can speed things along for kids that have the means to go that route. And for those that can't, they still get discovered if they have the talent and measurables far more often than not. There simply isn't this large number of kids that simply went undiscovered and ended up at the local DIII program while they should have been on scholarship at the highest level.

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    And since you have it all figured out, I'm sure you know kids are very rarely just discovered at the camps and combines. The kids that get offered are the ones that were invited by the staff after watching video of their previous season or hearing from one of their contacts that a kid needs to be seen in person. You don't just show up and catch their eye 9 times out of 10. Does it also happen a very low percentage of the time? Sure, but it is the exception and not the rule.

    Go to any D1 football office when the coaches aren't on the road recruiting, and you'll see coaches planted in front of a screen watching tape on prospects all day. That's as big of a tool as any on finding talent, and deciding if you want to invite a kid to camp for a better look.

    And if you really think a high school coach has zero responsibility in getting a kid looks if they have the talent, I'm not even sure where to begin. I'd probably star with finding a better coach for my kid to play for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    And since you have it all figured out, I'm sure you know kids are very rarely just discovered at the camps and combines. The kids that get offered are the ones that were invited by the staff after watching video of their previous season or hearing from one of their contacts that a kid needs to be seen in person. You don't just show up and catch their eye 9 times out of 10. Does it also happen a very low percentage of the time? Sure, but it is the exception and not the rule.

    Go to any D1 football office when the coaches aren't on the road recruiting, and you'll see coaches planted in front of a screen watching tape on prospects all day. That's as big of a tool as any on finding talent, and deciding if you want to invite a kid to camp for a better look.

    And if you really think a high school coach has zero responsibility in getting a kid looks if they have the talent, I'm not even sure where to begin. I'd probably star with finding a better coach for my kid to play for...

    Explain to me then how so many kids, and again just speaking from the ones I personally know from this area alone, have gotten the attention and have been invited on campus visits etc. before they even make a start at the varsity level? It isn't as you claim, watching video of their previous season especially when I'm talking about Sophomores etc.

    I won't even go into the underclassman, but let's use Beau Hoge as another example. How did he already have DI schools looking at him when he never started as QB until his senior year?
    You ignoring the fact of how important it is to attend the right camps and combines and get video's out there is just being silly. It is how many of the players get put on the radar of many coaching staffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post

    Go to any D1 football office when the coaches aren't on the road recruiting, and you'll see coaches planted in front of a screen watching tape on prospects all day. That's as big of a tool as any on finding talent, and deciding if you want to invite a kid to camp for a better look.
    You just repeated what I've said all along.

    Is that your way of finally realizing what is involved but too stubborn to admit we've already said that?

    Read the posts from the past, part of the exposure I have been talking about is about camps/combines and VIDEOS. I think maybe you finally got it.

    If a player doesn't attend camps/combines or have video's he more than likely will not be discovered playing Friday night because the coaches simply aren't in the stands period. That has been the point all along. Bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    You just repeated what I've said all along.

    Is that your way of finally realizing what is involved but too stubborn to admit we've already said that?

    Read the posts from the past, part of the exposure I have been talking about is about camps/combines and VIDEOS. I think maybe you finally got it.

    If a player doesn't attend camps/combines or have video's he more than likely will not be discovered playing Friday night because the coaches simply aren't in the stands period. That has been the point all along. Bingo!
    if you play in NKY you will have to send out video and go to camps. Unless your a can't miss stud. Sending out video is free. I know for a fact you can get offers on video alone. I think most coaches will make a video and send it to the schools he has contacts with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    And since you have it all figured out, I'm sure you know kids are very rarely just discovered at the camps and combines. The kids that get offered are the ones that were invited by the staff after watching video of their previous season or hearing from one of their contacts that a kid needs to be seen in person. You don't just show up and catch their eye 9 times out of 10. Does it also happen a very low percentage of the time? Sure, but it is the exception and not the rule. Go to any D1 football office when the coaches aren't on the road recruiting, and you'll see coaches planted in front of a screen watching tape on prospects all day. That's as big of a tool as any on finding talent, and deciding if you want to invite a kid to camp for a better look. And if you really think a high school coach has zero responsibility in getting a kid looks if they have the talent, I'm not even sure where to begin. I'd probably star with finding a better coach for my kid to play for...
    It is not the high schools coach's responsibility to get his kids to the next level. His job is to win football games while teaching imperative lessons throughout. My coach didn't get anyone of our team to the next level himself. He took us to banquets, interviews, and special dinners but never "got us to the next level". If we got mail, he'd give it to us before practice. But he never "sold us" to coaches. If they had questions, he'd answer them, I'm sure. I got all of my exposure through numerous camps and combine along with getting my film out. That also happened for the other six kids who also signed a LOI that year.

    But what do I know? You clearly know what you're talking about and know the ins and outs of recruiting better than any other recruiter or coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang75 View Post
    if you play in NKY you will have to send out video and go to camps. Unless your a can't miss stud. Sending out video is free. I know for a fact you can get offers on video alone. I think most coaches will make a video and send it to the schools he has contacts with.
    Exactly, that is a big part of it as well as attending camps etc. As far as a coach sending video's out, well I think if your coach does send tapes out on some of his players that is a plus at that school that many don't have. Would it be nice if a coach did that? Yes, is it as common as some think it is? I don't think so. I could see that occurring if requested by a college coach, I don't think it happens a lot from a HS coach doing it on his own just to try and draw attention to his players.

    High School coaches job is to try and win football games, it is not to be a recruiting service for their players. Some are way too busy to spend time making video's of players and sending them out to all the schools etc. I've never known any of the coaches when I was in high school or when my son played who ever went out and made tapes of players and sent them out unless requested by college coaching staffs. Again, you have to get the exposure and that is not the high school coaches job. That all falls on the player and his/her family and no one else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Ram View Post
    It is not the high schools coach's responsibility to get his kids to the next level. His job is to win football games while teaching imperative lessons throughout. My coach didn't get anyone of our team to the next level himself. He took us to banquets, interviews, and special dinners but never "got us to the next level". If we got mail, he'd give it to us before practice. But he never "sold us" to coaches. If they had questions, he'd answer them, I'm sure. I got all of my exposure through numerous camps and combine along with getting my film out. That also happened for the other six kids who also signed a LOI that year.

    But what do I know? You clearly know what you're talking about and know the ins and outs of recruiting better than any other recruiter or coach.
    Who in the hell said anything about "selling" players? When you are ready to make a relevant point, get back to me...

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    I am literally shocked to hear anyone even remotely think a high school coach has zero responsibility in getting his players recruited to the next level. You really think Bob Beaty doesn't work all of his vast network of contacts to get his players interest? Really? Bizarro world...

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    So if a high school coach has a player that is, say, MAC level as a prospect and he knows several coaches in the MAC he has no responsibility to pick up the phone and let those guys know he has a kid that could be a fit? If a coach isn't doing AT LEAST that, he should be fired on the spot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    So if a high school coach has a player that is, say, MAC level as a prospect and he knows several coaches in the MAC he has no responsibility to pick up the phone and let those guys know he has a kid that could be a fit? If a coach isn't doing AT LEAST that, he should be fired on the spot...
    Don't know if he will or not, what we are telling you is it isn't their job to and many don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    Don't know if he will or not, what we are telling you is it isn't their job to and many don't.
    It is their job, and it is negligent not to do so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    I am literally shocked to hear anyone even remotely think a high school coach has zero responsibility in getting his players recruited to the next level. You really think Bob Beaty doesn't work all of his vast network of contacts to get his players interest? Really? Bizarro world...
    Never said Bob Beaty doesn't do that, what we are saying is every coach doesn't do that.

    Let me ask you a question. If a coach has a player that is maybe a tweener, maybe not DI caliber but possibly DII or NAIA or even DIII and would be a very good player at any or all of those levels, is it his responsibility to also contact those schools? What if a kid really wants to play at the next level and not at the DI level because he knows he doesn't fit the DI mold but he is a very good player, is it the coaches job to find him a college to play at? The answer is no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    So if a high school coach has a player that is, say, MAC level as a prospect and he knows several coaches in the MAC he has no responsibility to pick up the phone and let those guys know he has a kid that could be a fit? If a coach isn't doing AT LEAST that, he should be fired on the spot...
    The problem. Some HS coaches don't know what level kids can play at. Think about this. If the HS coach played at a lower level and so did all the staff and they never had a kid offered D1. How are they going to know?

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