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Page 5 of Originally Posted by Mustang75 My question is. Is a D1 full schorlship played born or made with hard work? Are the phyiscal skill needed to play at tha... 141 comments | 5396 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang75 View Post
    My question is. Is a D1 full schorlship played born or made with hard work? Are the phyiscal skill needed to play at that level. God given or made on the feild and in the weight room? I believe it's God given. Can not teach big/fast.
    Mustang75 I do agree with you somewhat when it comes to being God given, but God given talent is able to be increased by hard work, discipline, and proper training. Do you think all Division 1 college football players just were given the opportunity? No, they worked their butt off to get to where they are. Just my personal opinion. Also, some people are in the right place at the right time, and have good connections.
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    Born. Tale of the tape (and stopwatch).

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    Not wanting sound like a politician but I guess I will. I believe it's both. 1, Yes, a lot of talent is God given. A coach cannot teach instinct for the game, natural talent...had/eye coordination, Speed, yes there are some things that may help a little with speed but actually a kid can run, has speed or they don't. Like myself for example .... if someone would had put a jet engine in my butt I would have still been one of the slowest kids on the team, nothing more .
    Strength one can work on and get much stronger while "quickness" is another like speed only I believe natural instincts help quickness in that some players just know where the ball or play is going and react much faster, quicker than others.
    Coaches can and good ones do teach a lot to their kids that will make them much better but the "IT" factor a coach cannot teach. Some players have "IT" and are the better players and ones that don't can still be a good player but probably won't be on the upper level.
    I do however believe that regardless of the level of talent and / or natural ability can be obtained and / or improved on without Hard Work, Desire. I have watched plenty of kids with average, not exceptional talent outplay and end up being a better ball player than a kid with all of the talent in the world, instincts - God given athletes ....Those players were better Due Only to their Desire, Work Ethic.

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    I'm not saying a player without the size or speed isn't better than ones who have this. You must look the part to get offers. Meaning speed/size. Undersized OL don't get offers. Why? They may be much better than ones with height/weight. Slow RBs don't get offer. Their numbers and film could be much better than a faster player with half the numbers. Why? I think the speed/size puts you in the game. If you don't have that it just doent matter how good you are.

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    Sometimes it comes down to luck. Several times I was in the right place at the right time. If you put me in a room of 50 guys and asked whitch one played pro football I would be one of the last you'd pick. Sadly now it seems that coaches think bigger is better. Not always the case, my son plays defensive end on his team at 190lbs. Last year he lead the team in tackles with 128. This year he weighs 205 but probably wont be looked at to play football because he's undersized.

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    Found this interesting tonight. I've talked about how many DIII could play DI but simply don't get the exposure for several different reasons whether it be not attending camps or combines or whatever. As well as the measurables, I always felt Exposure is also a big key.

    As of just a few hours after the draft completed there are 6 DIII players who have either been drafted or already signed undrafted free agent contracts with NFL teams and that number could very well increase as the week goes on.

    http://www.d3football.com/notables/2...draft-signings
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    So 600-700 D1 kids will get either drafted or get a chance as undrafted FAs. 6 in DIII. We're done here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    So 600-700 D1 kids will get either drafted or get a chance as undrafted FAs. 6 in DIII. We're done here...
    You missed the point. It was said earlier in this thread that not many DIII players could play DI. That is false. There are more than those 6 alone that can play DI. Those 6 alone also were all seniors. If you are good enough to get picked up by a NFL team I would think you would have been good enough to play DI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    You missed the point. It was said earlier in this thread that not many DIII players could play DI. That is false. There are more than those 6 alone that can play DI. Those 6 alone also were all seniors. If you are good enough to get picked up by a NFL team I would think you would have been good enough to play DI.
    1% of the kids at DIII are good enough to make a DI roster. 0.1% get a small chance at the NFL.

    You should look into starting the D3Dad account...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    1% of the kids at DIII are good enough to make a DI roster. 0.1% get a small chance at the NFL.

    You should look into starting the D3Dad account...
    You have missed the entire point being made.

    did I ever say 50% of DIII players could play DI? NO

    do me a huge favor and go back and read this thread before you make a comment on something you have no clue about.

    Then you can explain to me, even though it has nothing to do with what I posted, how you came up with the only 1% of D3 players can make a DI roster. I'd love to k ow where you pulled that from.


    let me help you out a little. You do realize Thomas More had at least 2 players this year that could have made DI rosters don't you? Do you think Thomas More is the only college like that? There are players all
    over the country for one reason or another a player here and there are not playing for DI school. I have never seen Thomas More play, nor do I know all their players but I do know a QB (Kuntz) and their RB could have easily made DI rosters, the RB had NFL scouts watching him this season. That would make your 1% a number you simply pulled out of the air. Thomas More is only 1 school. 1. There are players on rosters all
    over the country just like the 2 I mentioned
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    You have missed the entire point being made.

    did I ever say 50% of DIII players could play DI? NO

    do me a huge favor and go back and read this thread before you make a comment on something you have no clue about.

    Then you can explain to me, even though it has nothing to do with what I posted, how you came up with the only 1% of D3 players can make a DI roster. I'd love to k ow where you pulled that from.


    let me help you out a little. You do realize Thomas More had at least 2 players this year that could have made DI rosters don't you? Do you think Thomas More is the only college like that? There are players all
    over the country for one reason or another a player here and there are not playing for DI school. I have never seen Thomas More play, nor do I know all their players but I do know a QB (Kuntz) and their RB could have easily made DI rosters, the RB had NFL scouts watching him this season. That would make your 1% a number you simply pulled out of the air.
    You're the expert, so I'll ask you. How many kids are on a D3 roster on average? How many of those do you think could actually make a DI roster? My rough estimation is 1%. What's yours @D3Dad???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    You're the expert, so I'll ask you. How many kids are on a D3 roster on average? How many of those do you think could actually make a DI roster? My rough estimation is 1%. What's yours @D3Dad???
    I have no idea, I've never sat down and thought about it. I don't come close to seeing even a fraction of the DIII teams across the country, there are a ton. Just in this area there are a lot, a lot more than DI teams. I've already mentioned 2 from 1 team here locally and of the 10 different teams I saw play this year I garuntee you several of them have players that could make DI rosters.

    I think what you and some others think is simply that DI coaches and recruiters know about everyone, that isn't even close to accurate.

    As I said earlier, there are many reasons some players don't play DI and exposure is just one of them. My son has a teammate that was offered by 2 DI schools, that was it, just 2 but they were offers but he turned them down simply because they didn't have what he wanted to study at their school. There are so many different stories of why but I don't think you all even think about that.

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    There are roughly a thousand D1 coaches and a lot more than that if you count the FBS and FCS level as D1. Those guys are connected from sea to shining sea, and make a lot of money to know where the talent is so they can stay in the business for more than a year or two at a time.

    Do a VERY small number of kids fall through the cracks? Sure. I can assure you that number is VERY small. Your number of 6 DIII players getting even a sniff at a chance to play in the NFL from the entire draft eligible pool proves my point loud and clear.

    Maybe 1% was too tough. Could be all the way up to 2 or 3% that could make a D1 roster as a scholarship player. Players find their level. That is true in almost every case out there. Spin it however you need to believe DIII football is legit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    There are roughly a thousand D1 coaches and a lot more than that if you count the FBS and FCS level as D1. Those guys are connected from sea to shining sea, and make a lot of money to know where the talent is so they can stay in the business for more than a year or two at a time.

    Do a VERY small number of kids fall through the cracks? Sure. I can assure you that number is VERY small. Your number of 6 DIII players getting even a sniff at a chance to play in the NFL from the entire draft eligible pool proves my point loud and clear.

    Maybe 1% was too tough. Could be all the way up to 2 or 3% that could make a D1 roster as a scholarship player. Players find their level. That is true in almost every case out there. Spin it however you need to believe DIII football is legit...
    So now you are saying DIII football is just a joke? Did you play?

    Do you even have a clue how recruiting works? Do you actually think DI coaches are filling the stands of all the high schools every Friday night? You haven't a clue.

    Your 1% guess wasn't even an intelligent guess. You have no clue yet you think by tossing made up numbers out there it would actually sound legit. Again Thomas More alone has at least 2 players and that is only 1 school. Again this has nothing to do with % of DIII who could play on DI, it is simply about the fact it happens. You can belittle DIII football all you want, that is your opinion, not a bright one, but you are entitled.

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    Do I have a clue how recruiting works? We can stop now. You're embarrassing yourself...

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