6 is too many...a FIVE class system solves the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcatsalute
    I guess its not a reward in "4a" with 20% of the 1's losing.
    Better than being a two, three, or four...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    Better than being a two, three, or four...
    you seem to have all the stats, so how much better.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcatsalute
    you seem to have all the stats, so how much better.....
    Scribe's already posted them all. In 4a:

    A 1 wins 83% of the time in the first round.

    A 2 wins 65% of the time in the first round.

    A 3 wins 35% of the time in the first round.

    A 4 wins 17% of the time in the first round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    Scribe's already posted them all. In 4a:

    A 1 wins 83% of the time in the first round.

    A 2 wins 65% of the time in the first round.

    A 3 wins 35% of the time in the first round.

    A 4 wins 17% of the time in the first round.
    Why no class system in basketball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEERFAN
    Correct SM, it's good for you and I but who gets to tell the 13 lucky 5A schools they have no shot at a title.

    The only way these schools would have no shot is if they chose to forfeit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachJ
    The more I look at this, the more it makes sense to fix what I think is about the ONLY problem with HS football right now as it relates to classification.

    BUT...dipping down to 32 still makes a huge disparity at both ends when you look at who's made it historically to the finals.

    I say, drop it to the 16 LARGEST and the 16 SMALLEST to be 1a and 5a.

    They could have a BYE-WEEK for their first round of the playoffs (and it's JUSTIFIED that these two classes only should get one: 1A needs the week to get some kids healed up due to smaller overall numbers...5A needs the week to get some kids healed because each school is going to be getting POUNDED
    by other "big-boys" for 4 straight weeks).

    I guess another alternative would be to give the two schools in the finals a week off before they play.

    Anyway, here's the 1A and 5A break-downs according to the latest KHSAA enrollment numbers:

    1A = the 16 smallest schools
    * incidentally, these are schools that have never really (with the exception of Paris those years and Bellevue a couple) competed at the state championship-level with the rest of 1A...so it *historically* makes sense they should be separate then!
    Pineville, Jenkins, Williamsburg, Phelps, Paintsville, Fairview, Beth Haven, Eminence, Kentucky Country Day, Ludlow, Paris, Harrodsburg, Bellevue, Fulton City, Fulton County, Caverna

    5A = the 16 largest schools.
    * incidentally, these are schools that have almost ALWAYS been the ones at the state finals (and many of those that are not NOW in this list of 16 that were in the finals in the past WERE over 1600 students when they made it -- now they're smaller due to building more schools in some districts: Boone Co. comes to mind).
    N. Hardin, Scott Co., Daviess Co., Male, Henderson Co., Eastern, Henry Clay, Ballard, Seneca, Tates Creek, Manual, PRP, Lafayette, PLDunbar, Trinity, St. X

    2A, 3A, and 4A = split the rest in thirds.

    ** I'll put the rest on a separate post so this one's not gargantuan.

    What problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat
    What problem?
    I believe the issue is the disparity in size in 1A and 4A.

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    Possibly 1A, definitely not 4A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat
    Possibly 1A, definitely not 4A.
    The smaller schools in 4A are absolutely dwarfed by the size of the male population at the top, even if you removed Trinity and X. If you assume that classification is important for a level playing field, that's a problem.

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    I would go with

    001-300
    301-600
    601-900
    901-1200
    1201+

    -Use a three year moving average, and reassess every 4th year.
    -Double the enrollment number for the all boy schools.
    -Don't worry about each class having an equal number of schools in it. If 3A has 52 and 1A has 38, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    The smaller schools in 4A are absolutely dwarfed by the size of the male population at the top, even if you removed Trinity and X. If you assume that classification is important for a level playing field, that's a problem.

    Every 4A school has plenty of athletes in the school to find 22 good players and 10-15 more to be special team stalwarts.

    It is a matter of getting them out for the team, preparing them in the off season, preparing them in season, and knowing one's X's and O's.

    A comporable argument is why there is only one champion in basketball & baseball; teams only need a smaller number of athletes to compete.

    If a school is 4A, they have plenty of athletes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat
    Every 4A school has plenty of athletes in the school to find 22 good players and 10-15 more to be special team stalwarts.

    It is a matter of getting them out for the team, preparing them in the off season, preparing them in season, and knowing one's X's and O's.

    A comporable argument is why there is only one champion in basketball & baseball; teams only need a smaller number of athletes to compete.

    If a school is 4A, they have plenty of athletes.
    Ok.

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    But could you play up a Class like Highlands used to? This could keep some Rivalries intact. (Highlands v CovCath)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat
    Every 4A school has plenty of athletes in the school to find 22 good players and 10-15 more to be special team stalwarts.

    It is a matter of getting them out for the team, preparing them in the off season, preparing them in season, and knowing one's X's and O's.

    A comporable argument is why there is only one champion in basketball & baseball; teams only need a smaller number of athletes to compete.

    If a school is 4A, they have plenty of athletes.
    You must be right. There surely has to be as many good athletes interested in playing football among 600 boys as there are with 1,800 boys. No difference there.

    No comparison in basketball or baseball and football and the sheer numbers required to have a top notch 4A program. You can win a state title with 12-15 basketball players or baseball players. You cannot win a 4A title with only 12-15 players on your roster. Many of the smaller 4A schools have numerous kids playing both ways and all special teams as their next level players are not able to get the job done athletically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEERFAN
    Correct SM, it's good for you and I but who gets to tell the 13 lucky 5A schools they have no shot at a title.

    But how does this plan make it any tougher for them than it already is?

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