2019 Playoff Alignment

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    From the above link/KHSAA:

    BASICS ABOUT THE RPI

    RPI will be implemented in all sports as a publicity tool.
    In Football, the RPI will be incorporated into the tournament rules as a means of seeding Rounds 3, 4 and 5
    RPI stands for “Ratings Percentage Index”. In short, it is a way to measure a team’s strength relative to other teams, based largely on the strength of their schedules.
    The RPI formula is used by both the NCAA and NAIA, along with many high school associations and among other organizations, as part of their postseason system.

    What percentages are being used in the formula?

    Starting in 2018-19, the formula will be as follows for all sports:
    Each game RPI = GR*((0.35 × WP) + (0.35 × OWP) + (0.30 × OOWP))
    Total RPI is summative
    GR=Game Result. 1.0 for a win, .5 for a tie, 0 for a loss
    WP=Winning Percentage of the Team being reviewed
    OWP=Opponents Winning Percentage
    OOWP=Opponents’ Opponents Winning Percentage

    Why use RPI instead of another type of rating system?

    A major advantage to the RPI is the transparency that comes along with its accuracy.
    The components of the formula are known, and its results can be easily replicated.
    In addition, there is no incentive for a team to defeat a team by a higher margin, margin doesn’t matter.

    What data will be used in the RPI formula?

    All varsity games played in the regular season shall be counted toward the RPI calculation.

    Where will be the RPI standings be published?

    The official KHSAA RPI standings will be published on khsaa.org.
    It is worth noting that any RPI data published elsewhere is unofficial and should be viewed with skepticism as it may not be correct.

    How are the components of the formula specifically calculated?

    Winning percentage (WP): Divide the number of wins by the number of total games played.
    A tie is worth half a win.
    If a win in an individual contest gives that contest a winning percentage of 1.00, a tie would give that individual contest a winning percentage of .500 for both teams.
    Opponents’ winning percentage (OWP): Average the winning percentages of a team’s opponents. (Note: This is not calculated via the combined record of the opponents, instead by averaging each winning percentage of the opponents.)
    All games involving the team whose RPI is being calculated are ignored in this process.
    Opponents’ opponents winning percentage (OOWP): The same process as described above, except calculated for the opponents of a team’s opponents.
    Note that there is an exception for out-of-state teams, which is addressed

    How will out-of-state opponents be handled?

    All out-of state opponents will initially be handled in the following manner:
    Their direct winning percentage (for example, .750) will count toward the formula, but each of their opponents will have a .500 winning percentage assigned.
    Were this not the case, schools would be chasing tens of thousands of opponents of out-of-state opponents over the course of a season, and there is no way to ensure the accuracy of that data.
    The .500 figure was selected because it is the average value of opponents’ opponents winning percentages across all sports.

    How will international opponents be handled?

    Due to the difficulty involved with obtaining accurate data on a consistent and timely basis from schools outside the U.S., international opponents will not count toward the RPI calculation.

    What happens if two teams are tied in the final RPI standings?

    The tiebreaker will sequentially be as follows for this unlikely scenario. It is as follows:
    Head-to-head result between the two teams
    Winning percentage
    Opponents’ winning percentage
    Opponents’ opponents winning percentage
    Highest-rated win (according to the final RPI standings)
    Next-highest rated win (exhaust all possibilities)
    Coin flip – The only reason for the coin flip is as a last result if all other scenarios happen to be tied.

    What happens if three teams are tied in the final RPI standings?

    The tiebreaker will be as follows for this unlikely scenario. It is as follows:

    Step One
    Head-to-head result between the three tied teams to determine if one has defeated the other two
    If one has defeated the other two, that team wins the tiebreaker and the two team tiebreaker shall break the remaining tie

    Step Two
    Head-to-head results between the three tied teams to determine if one has lost to the other two
    If one has been defeated by the other two, that team is eliminated from the tiebreaker and the two team tiebreaker shall break the remaining tie

    Step Three
    If Steps one and two do not break the tie, the following steps shall be used in sequence until one of the steps breaks the tie, and then the two team tiebreaker shall break the remaining tie
    Overall Winning percentage
    Opponents’ winning percentage
    Opponents’ opponents winning percentage
    Highest-rated win (according to the final RPI standings)
    Next-highest rated win (exhaust all possibilities)
    Draw – The only reason for the Draw is as a last resort if all other scenarios happen to be tied in which case the draw team would prevail in the tiebreaker and the two team tiebreaker shall break the remaining tie

    How should teams be scheduling?

    The main thing to remember with the RPI is it takes an entire schedule into account.
    Do not fret over scheduling one game.
    Instead, see the entire schedule as a whole and try to judge if it will be tough or not.

    Does the score of the contest matter in the RPI formula?
    Only in that it gives a winner and a loser (or results in a tie).
    There is no factor for score differential in the RPI formula.
    A 1-0 win counts the same as 100-1.

    What happens if a game is cancelled and can’t be rescheduled?

    Because the RPI system works off of averages, it won’t make a difference in the final formula if a game cannot be rescheduled.
    It would not penalize, nor benefit, any team involved in that scenario.

    How do schools that drop programs affect the RPI?

    If a school drops a program prior to the start their competitive season, no forfeits will be involved.
    Instead, their opponents now have open dates in the sports where they were scheduled to play the teams who dropped their program, and they are free to try and find another game, if possible.
    If a school drops a program after their competitive season has started, that team shall forfeit their remaining games to their opponents.
    In this instance, the competitive season is defined as the first day a team plays in a contest.

    Where should we be reporting scores?

    Continue reporting scores to Riherds.com scoreboard.
    The official RPI feed will be calculated off of results entered into that platform.

    How often will the RPI standings be published?

    The RPI standings will not publish for the first time until a season hits the midway point.
    Once they do, feeds will be updated nightly during the regular season
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    Fans of some schools are in for a shock when they see where their team ranks by RPI. Strength of schedule is going to have a big impact on RPI.

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    Really good rundown by the Courier Journal

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    LOng story short, what we discussed was correct and those pointing out that the Semi's become seeded for the entire state were accurate. Round three you stay within your Semi-State, but Round 4 you may see teams coming from the polar opposite ends to meet up.

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    Is there anywhere with a weekly updated RPI?

    Also are the districts seeded by overall record or in-district record?

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    I like the changes. In 2A for instance last year, it will eliminate a winless team like COV Holy Cross traveling to and playing in state #1 CAL. Similar outcomes for other smaller schools in divisions or those with “down” years. No business making those trips for a running clock in first quarter. If You can’t get out of your own backyard, stay home.

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    Does the state offer an RPI website or plan to come playoff time. I hope they will to keep things public and in the open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLCat View Post
    Really good rundown by the Courier Journal

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    LOng story short, what we discussed was correct and those pointing out that the Semi's become seeded for the entire state were accurate. Round three you stay within your Semi-State, but Round 4 you may see teams coming from the polar opposite ends to meet up.
    When Madisonville gets sent to Johnson Central or JC to Madville......the argument about saving on travel expense goes out the window.

    Mayfield to Beechwood? Beechwood to Mayfield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGRaidersman View Post
    Does the state offer an RPI website or plan to come playoff time. I hope they will to keep things public and in the open.
    I believe the KHSAA plans to publish their playoff rankings starting around game 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGRaidersman View Post
    Does the state offer an RPI website or plan to come playoff time. I hope they will to keep things public and in the open.
    Will be released mid season and then updated daily after that, so I assume it will be on KHSAA website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macdon View Post
    When Madisonville gets sent to Johnson Central or JC to Madville......the argument about saving on travel expense goes out the window.

    Mayfield to Beechwood? Beechwood to Mayfield?
    This semifinals setup is the one thing in the new system I don't understand. It clearly runs contrary to cost cutting. I don't see the logic. The only thing I can think of is the KHSAA is trying to boost title game attendance by helping the highest ranked teams get to the title games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macdon View Post
    When Madisonville gets sent to Johnson Central or JC to Madville......the argument about saving on travel expense goes out the window.

    Mayfield to Beechwood? Beechwood to Mayfield?
    Last year Mayfield went to Walton-Verona for the semi-state round. Before Mayfield moved up to 2A they were playing Beechwood virtually every year in the final four. They were considered in the same half of the state as those schools. So either way you look at it, once you get down to only 4 teams left in the state there is going to be quite a bit of travelling involved.

    I think the cost cutting is mainly referring to the first 2 rounds so you keep from having a Fulton City travel 4 hours to Louisville to get beat 63-0 by Holy Cross or have Graves County travel that same distance to get drummed by Trinity in the first round like in years past. I don't think it's a big deal for the more competitive teams later in the playoffs to have to travel more, but why make a 4-seed out of a district throw all that money away to travel halfway across the state in the first round.

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    I'm a little late on this, but why does District 1 in 5A have 6 teams and District 2 have 4 teams? All of the teams from district 1 (other than Graves County) are just as close, if not closer, to the district 2 teams as they are to Graves County. And no other district in the state in 5A has six teams. Just don't understand why they wouldn't have 5 teams each in districts 1 and 2.

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    I still insist that this is the best option if we stick with 6 Classes:
    1. Break the State into two Semi-States, East and West as we always have. Districts 1 thru 4 in the West, Districts 5-8 in the East.

    2. Instead of 4 teams per District advancing to the playoffs only 3 teams advance. This gives us 12 teams per Semi-State. This also eliminates any chance of an 0-10 team getting in the playoff essentially.

    3. The (4) Regular Season district winners per Semi-State are guaranteed a 1-4 seed in their Semi-State and a first Round buy. This rewards teams for winning the District and keeps the sanctity of District Games in tact.

    4. Seeds 5-12 are determined by the RPI system. If the two best seeded teams were from the same District they get the 5 & 6 seeds respectively overall. For teams like Lexington Catholic who may finish 2nd but are arguably the 2nd best team in the Semi-State, this gives them a chance for a home playoff game and gives them the most favorable draw of 1-seeds.

    Round 1 Games= 5 vs. 12 (winner plays #4), 6 vs. 11 (Winner plays #3), 7 vs. 10 (Winner plays #2), and 8 vs. 9 (Winner plays #1)

    By valuing seeds it will then stress teams to improve their non-district scheduling. The First Round Bye's also mean more competitive games in Round 1.

    5. After Round 2, the Final 4 teams left in each Semi-State play Rounds 3 and 4 on Neutral Fields. All neutral fields must meet minimum requirements for field conditions, locker room facilities for both teams, and have separate and ample visitor seating. If travel distance is a concern (which should be eased by both playing within your Semi-State and the neutral field), teams can decide if they want to play on Saturday or not.



    In my opinion this preserves the significance of District games and rewards teams for getting the job done as District Champs, encourages teams to schedule harder in their Non-District, eliminates teams who will be non-competitive, reduces travel expenses, and ensures a level playing field in Rounds 3 and 4.

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    This system hurts teams that play good out of state teams. If St.X loses to Cincinnati St.X it’s like losing to .500 team.l think you are better off playing good in-state teams in this system.

    Went back and read so out of state record counts but their opponents count as .500. I see it hurting when team like Cincinnati St.X has .500 record because of tough schedule but still good enough to defeat Lou St.X. That has happened in past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerpride94 View Post
    This system hurts teams that play good out of state teams. If St.X loses to Cincinnati St.X it’s like losing to .500 team.l think you are better off playing good in-state teams in this system.

    Went back and read so out of state record counts but their opponents count as .500. I see it hurting when team like Cincinnati St.X has .500 record because of tough schedule but still good enough to defeat Lou St.X. That has happened in past.
    My biggest issue with the RPI is it also has no power component.

    If St. X beats a 6-4 Cincy St. X by 36 points on the road, is is the exact same as if North Hardin beats a 6-4 1A Podunk Central Christian from Indiana at home by a last second FG.

    Conversely, assuming common opponents are equal, if DeSales plays up in class and beat a 7-3 6A Butler by 4 TD's (and Butler plays a bunch of 6A teams)... and if in the same class Etown plays down and beats a 7-3 Crittenden County by 4 points(Crittenden then plays a bunch of 1A and 2A schools) ... those are counted the same.

    I do respect the fact it is at least "trying" to take into account out of state competition and strength of opponent's schedule. I truly commend them for that.

    With that said, the info is out there to do better! This isn't 1980 anymore where you have to wait for the newspaper to see who won. Calpreps can keep up with out of state games, why can't this RPI system?

    Additionally, I feel as though wins should have either bonus points or negative points against them depending on if a school is "playing up" or "playing down" at the very least. Also, give bonus points for neutral site or road wins. I get that margin of victory is hard to quantify, but at the very least if a 1A team like Pikeville has the gumption to play a 5A team they should be rewarded versus a 5A team that goes and plays a 1A school with a roster a third of theirs.

    I am afraid there is going to be a race for bigger schools not to play the better schools amongst themselves in a effort to schedule smaller schools who rack up wins.

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