2015 Scott Eagles. State run possibilities 4a

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    John Hardin and Franklin County both are in 4A . CORRECT?
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    Its extremely hard for a team to win a State Championship outside of the smaller divisions without the ability to pass the ball. The very rare big schools that are able to do it have great defenses. Scott has never had a great defense.

    The offense doesn't have the personnel to throw the ball is a tired, old excuse. Funny how schools with barely 200 students like Bellevue, NCC and Beechwood seem to find the personnel to throw the ball but a school with nearly a thousand students can't. The problem is the refusal to develop a QB. As a former Scott player once said, "Woolley wants to make everybody a Running Back". There lies the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle2013 View Post
    Its extremely hard for a team to win a State Championship outside of the smaller divisions without the ability to pass the ball. The very rare big schools that are able to do it have great defenses. Scott has never had a great defense.

    The offense doesn't have the personnel to throw the ball is a tired, old excuse. Funny how schools with barely 200 students like Bellevue, NCC and Beechwood seem to find the personnel to throw the ball but a school with nearly a thousand students can't. The problem is the refusal to develop a QB. As a former Scott player once said, "Woolley wants to make everybody a Running Back". There lies the problem.
    Development starts at a young, not at the high school level. Believe it or not Woolley spends lots of time working with QB's on all aspects of the game. Too many times at Scott, guys have started playing the position late in middle school, or even in high school. Ben Osbourne for example, shared time and had injuries during middle school. Not having a feeder program for so long was part of this problem. The teams you mentioned have had long established feeder programs.

    The growth of this program has been steady, but this team is not that far removed from consistent 3-8 or worse seasons. This years senior class is the first to graduate from Scott with a winning record. I think as talent and depth improve, you will see Scott's offense get more diverse. While the last two seasons have been solid, those teams both suffered from lack of depth and had multiple holes that they just had no one to fill. This season is a big one, and should be more representative of what you will see in the years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Development starts at a young, not at the high school level. Believe it or not Woolley spends lots of time working with QB's on all aspects of the game. Too many times at Scott, guys have started playing the position late in middle school, or even in high school. Ben Osbourne for example, shared time and had injuries during middle school. Not having a feeder program for so long was part of this problem. The teams you mentioned have had long established feeder programs.

    The growth of this program has been steady, but this team is not that far removed from consistent 3-8 or worse seasons. This years senior class is the first to graduate from Scott with a winning record. I think as talent and depth improve, you will see Scott's offense get more diverse. While the last two seasons have been solid, those teams both suffered from lack of depth and had multiple holes that they just had no one to fill. This season is a big one, and should be more representative of what you will see in the years to come.
    The QB at Newport last year never took a snap under center until his Sr. year. Take a look at his numbers. Scott will never be a serious contender to win State until they develop some sort of passing game.

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    The problem is we need the help of a few athletes in the halls to step up and play recievers and to sub in as needed. Rumors are Andrew Trame,Jake Ohmer, Andrew Dixon ,Vinny Dumalo and a wide receiver transfer from Sk. His name escapes me ...These guys should be able to contribute in some ways . All very athletic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    ^ I sure hope so for the Eagles. It is long overdue.
    I see what you did here, both teams are the Eagles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Why is it that Scott is the only team that has to throw the ball to be more successful? No one mentions anything about Belfry needing to throw more...they threw 1 pass in the state championship game and had less passing touchdowns than Scott last year. Not throwing didn't stop them from winning. Just because you see NFL teams chucking the ball around and all over the field, doesn't mean you have to have the same formula to win in high school. There are plenty of teams across the country that run 99% of the time and win state championships.

    I've said it before... if Scott threw the ball twice as much the last 2 years, they wouldn't have won as many games as they did. It's hard to be successful forcing your team to do something that doesn't fit the personnel they have.
    RJS, valid point, but lets also remember who Belfry plays during the season, its for the most part, ground and pound teams. Scott tends to play teams with more balanced offense.

    My comment would be Scott needs to pass more efficiently, not necessarily more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    RJS, valid point, but lets also remember who Belfry plays during the season, its for the most part, ground and pound teams. Scott tends to play teams with more balanced offense.

    My comment would be Scott needs to pass more efficiently, not necessarily more.
    Furthermore I will add (Before a certain poster from Belfry takes me to task, lol) Belfry can pass the ball, they can pass it well, if they want to, they just choose not too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coach1980 View Post
    The problem is we need the help of a few athletes in the halls to step up and play recievers and to sub in as needed. Rumors are Andrew Trame,Jake Ohmer, Andrew Dixon ,Vinny Dumalo and a wide receiver transfer from Sk. His name escapes me ...These guys should be able to contribute in some ways . All very athletic.

    Who is transfer from SK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uk#1fan View Post
    Who is transfer from SK?
    The name escapes me right now . He is still waiting on approval to play from the state ? He has not been allowed to participate yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    RJS, valid point, but lets also remember who Belfry plays during the season, its for the most part, ground and pound teams. Scott tends to play teams with more balanced offense.

    My comment would be Scott needs to pass more efficiently, not necessarily more.
    Actually...over the past several years...Belfry has loaded up their schedule with teams that run mulitple front, pass happy sets. Several larger schools, out of state schools who routinely pass 20+ per game have littered their schedule.

    Belfry is NOT a good passing team. Can they pass? I guess. Do they pass? Not much. Why? It's not in their DNA.

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    I don't see it happening for Scott. The offense they run won't allow it. Any team that gets up on them will have them beat. Until they develop the offense they won't make as much noise. I honestly see Bourbon taking the district with Scott finishing second. Playoffs, with John Hardin and JC, I don't see Scott competing for a state title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTuna6 View Post
    I don't see it happening for Scott. The offense they run won't allow it. Any team that gets up on them will have them beat. Until they develop the offense they won't make as much noise. I honestly see Bourbon taking the district with Scott finishing second. Playoffs, with John Hardin and JC, I don't see Scott competing for a state title.
    Again, there are large schools across the country that run the single wing that win state titles. For example, Apopko High School in Florida, runs the single wing and has won the Class 8 title 2 of the last 3 years. I'm not saying Scott is going to win a state title. And no, you don't see the single wing much in college or the pro's (although many teams in college do run packages similar to the single wing..Auburn, Georgia Tech and Navy come to mind). But to say you can't win with it simply is not true because many teams do win with that offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Again, there are large schools across the country that run the single wing that win state titles. For example, Apopko High School in Florida, runs the single wing and has won the Class 8 title 2 of the last 3 years. I'm not saying Scott is going to win a state title. And no, you don't see the single wing much in college or the pro's (although many teams in college do run packages similar to the single wing..Auburn, Georgia Tech and Navy come to mind). But to say you can't win with it simply is not true because many teams do win with that offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatLakes View Post
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    I'm not comparing personnel. Obviously they are a huge school with a large talent pool. My only comment was addressing those that said you can't win with this offense. You can.

    Also though, Scott has had a large O-Line the last few years. Several have gone on to play in college, and this years line will likely average 260-270lbs, with a couple over 300Lb.

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