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Page 3 of Looking at the roster posted on khsaa CC looks to have 38 players between jv and varsity. Ten seniors means that 4 to 6 Jr's on jv. I think Highlands n... 91 comments | 6016 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    .. or JV if the team they are playing has juniors. So if small school A has 7th grader on JV.. playing school B who had 11th grader on Jv...
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    Quote Originally Posted by justwondering1 View Post
    Is there not still a khsaa rule.. for football and soccer.. prohibiting middle schoolers ..or at least probibiting them from playing against some one 11th grade or higher? There used to be but not sure currently
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    Exactly. So if small school A requires middle schoolers to play a JV game as many do, school B has to decide whether to sit the juniors and get a game in or walkaway with a forfeit win. At least this is what my kid who plays jv for small school A explained to me.

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    The allowable solution, from what I have been told is both coaches discuss this before the game begins. JV team A coach (the team with middle school players) informs JV team B coach (with juniors) that he has some middle schoolers on his roster and would like to get them some playing time. Team B coach has to agree to remove all of this juniors from the field at the same time and Team A can then put their middle schoolers on the field. Team B does not need to sit their juniors for the entire game, only when Team A wants to put their middle schoolers on the field. Obviously this only works if team A has enough 9-11 graders to play without having their middle schoolers on the field.

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    The rule as stated below clearly states who the responsible party for enforcement of the rule is which as stated "It is the obligation of the school desiring to allow the seventh or eighth grade student". Therefore; in this scenario Team B has no obligation to pull any Junior off the field. That said, it is commonplace for the coaches of both teams to discuss the situation prior to the game among themselves to agree if the lower age players will be participating or not and if so, when that will occur. This is more often than not done in conjunction with the pre-game with the CR and in most cases an agreement is made with the CR and AR1 assisting with the agreement via substitution process. I have seen on a few occasions when Team B coach doesn't agree for various reasons and the underclass players are then unable to participate.

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    I just skimmed through the thread so I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this....

    The rule does not allow for any Juniors (for either team) to be on the field when there are middle school players participating.

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    Referees have no authority when it comes to who plays jv. If coaches agree to pull Jr's off so middle schoolers it's on them. The coaches are totally responsible. I agree the coaches usually discuss it before games but I have seen where some team can only play if there middle shoolers play so the Jr's are left out or the game is cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbeagle View Post
    additionally, 7-8 graders can't play in JV games if the other teams have juniors..


    Students in grades 7 and 8 may not participate in any activity designated by either team as “varsity (first team)” in football or soccer. 7th and 8th grade students may not wear the game uniform (in whole or part), or be involved in pre-game activities or any other contest related activity prior to, during or after, a varsity practice, scrimmage or contest in the sports of football or soccer. 7th and 8th grade students may not participate (practice, scrimmage or contest) on nonvarsity (freshmen, junior varsity, etc.) level teams in football or soccer if any member of the team they are representing or the team they are competing against during any part of that practice, scrimmage or contest is enrolled in any grade above grade ten (10). It is the obligation of the school desiring to allow the seventh or eighth grade student to participate with the nonvarsity team to ensure compliance with this provision.
    Students below grade seven (7) may not participate (practice, scrimmage or contest) on any high school level team (freshmen, junior varsity, varsity) in football or soccer.
    Quote Originally Posted by that's what she said View Post
    The allowable solution, from what I have been told is both coaches discuss this before the game begins. JV team A coach (the team with middle school players) informs JV team B coach (with juniors) that he has some middle schoolers on his roster and would like to get them some playing time. Team B coach has to agree to remove all of this juniors from the field at the same time and Team A can then put their middle schoolers on the field. Team B does not need to sit their juniors for the entire game, only when Team A wants to put their middle schoolers on the field. Obviously this only works if team A has enough 9-11 graders to play without having their middle schoolers on the field.

    The bolded in the top quote makes the work around in the bottom quote not valid. That is not an allowable solution. My understanding is that the roster turned in before the game must not include the juniors on team A if team B will be playing middle schoolers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkyboy II View Post
    The bolded in the top quote makes the work around in the bottom quote not valid. That is not an allowable solution. My understanding is that the roster turned in before the game must not include the juniors on team A if team B will be playing middle schoolers.
    Is the bolded an actual rule, or just your understanding?

    If it is actually a rule than it would apply to both team A and B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbeagle View Post
    additionally, 7-8 graders can't play in JV games if the other teams have juniors..


    Students in grades 7 and 8 may not participate in any activity designated by either team as “varsity (first team)” in football or soccer. 7th and 8th grade students may not wear the game uniform (in whole or part), or be involved in pre-game activities or any other contest related activity prior to, during or after, a varsity practice, scrimmage or contest in the sports of football or soccer. 7th and 8th grade students may not participate (practice, scrimmage or contest) on nonvarsity (freshmen, junior varsity, etc.) level teams in football or soccer if any member of the team they are representing or the team they are competing against during any part of that practice, scrimmage or contest is enrolled in any grade above grade ten (10). It is the obligation of the school desiring to allow the seventh or eighth grade student to participate with the nonvarsity team to ensure compliance with this provision.
    Students below grade seven (7) may not participate (practice, scrimmage or contest) on any high school level team (freshmen, junior varsity, varsity) in football or soccer.
    Quote Originally Posted by stinkyboy II View Post
    The bolded in the top quote makes the work around in the bottom quote not valid. That is not an allowable solution. My understanding is that the roster turned in before the game must not include the juniors on team A if team B will be playing middle schoolers.
    I stand corrected, good point stinkyboy. They way I now understand the rule if juniors are listed on the JV roster, 7th and 8th graders are not permitted on the practice or game field, at ANY time. My guess is this rule is broken on a daily basis. If a 7th or 8th grader is hurt during one of these infractions the coach and school could be held liable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow Card View Post
    Is the bolded an actual rule, or just your understanding?

    If it is actually a rule than it would apply to both team A and B.
    Post #30 from warbeagle looks like an actual copy and paste of the actual rule.
    If this is the actual correct wording of the rule, any JV team that list juniors on the JV roster can NOT have 7th or 8th graders participate at ANY time, practice or game. And any opponent with 7th or 8th graders can not put these 7th and 8th graders in the game at ANY time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow Card View Post
    Is the bolded an actual rule, or just your understanding?

    If it is actually a rule than it would apply to both team A and B.
    I have been to 2 games that this rule was applicable. Back in 2015 the team I followed had Juniors on their girls JV team. Showed up to play JV game and opponent had 8th graders. Opponent would not have enough to play if those kids not involved. Juniors were taken off game roster of our team and the JV game was played. The Juniors were added to the vasrsity roster for that day and played sparsely in the Varsity game.

    A few days later a same problem except this time the varsity game was played first. The Juniors were again removed from the JV roster for that game and the game played. Junior parents and players left rather upset that no one bothered to check into the make up of opponents roster.

    I think coaches do a pretty good job of making sure this rule is followed in games. The fact that teams that roster middle schoolers on their JV team can't practice with or against their varsity team is where the rules tend to get broken.

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    I know the school my children attend stick to the rules during practice and games. During practice the 7/8th graders can participate in conditioning or drills as one team. Scrimmages or games they can not if the the opposing team have jrs or above. Our coaches have had discussions days prior to these games and we had no issues in the 5 yrs or so that they have played.

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    I think this rule used to be broken all of the time, but now KHSAA is becoming a lot more strict about it and more and more JV teams have middle school players on them. A lot of schools would struggle to field a JV team without middle school players these days. That's sort of why I was asking about the NKY programs. The officials have nothing to do with this. It is the responsibility of the coaches.

    FWIW, I think the rule is silly to go by grade. It should be by age. There are a lot of kids who are ahead in school or behind in school. So a kid who is a year ahead in school can play varsity as a 13 year old against 18 or 19 year old seniors, but a kid the same age can't play JV as an 8th grader against juniors (some of whom are probably sophomore age)? And what about those sophomores who are actually junior age? No rule would be perfect, but age makes more sense to me.

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    I always find it interesting that the Freshman you could see playing against Seniors this year in a Varsity match are those same players that could not compete against each other last season, as 8th graders and Juniors, in a JV match.

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