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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    Also, should be noted that Mason Faulkner averaged 18 PPG at the varsity level last season for Caverna. They were something like 17-14 or 18-15 so it wasn't as if he was just padding stats. I'll add my thoughts a little later when I get a second to sit down and think more about it.

    I will post my top 20 (professional opinion, of course )in a little while as well.
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    Forgot about Raekwon Long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Ayers is putting in work everyday in Bowling Green. When he is not working with Team Manimal he is working daily at BGHS on improving his game. BG knows what they have in Ayers and are working hard to turn him into one of the best to ever play at BG.
    That's great to hear, but that's a tall order considering some of the players that have come through that program. I hope he does improve his game as well of all these kids, but it's hard to work backwards when it comes to fundamentals. Not saying he can't improve, but he has a lot of work to do before being close to a D1 guard. To say that he could be better than Josh Carrier (UK), Chane Behanan (UofL National Champion), Caleb Halcomb (WKU), or Terrez Dewalt (EKU) is a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKFan10 View Post
    #1 PG/SG Quentin Goodin Taylor County- holds offers from Indiana and Oklahoma State before his sophomore year
    #2 PG Braxton Beverly Perry County Central- held his own playing 2 grades up against the best talent in the country
    #3 SG Malik Dow Ballard- major contributor on near state champion, great defensive player with a ton of upside
    #4 SG Eli Wright Apollo- MAJOR athlete who might end up being #1 before its all said and done
    #5 F Carson Williams Owen County- tough forward who already has a DI offer
    #6 SF Kevin Kirby Waggoner- tall for his position, and best player on 15u state champion
    #7 PF Colton Elkins Boyle County- Big with a load of potential
    #8 PF Ben Weyer Newport Catholic Central- starter for one of the best teams in the state as an underclassmen (NCC)
    #9 G Perry Ayers Bowling Green- athletic and plays hard. Plays for one of the top 15u teams in the state- Team Manimal
    #10 C Raekwon Long Scott County- he is on here for potential alone. has ALOT of areas that need improving but he is a legit 7-0 after all

    Could end up being one of the better classes to come out of Kentucky. There are a lot of other players I could see being on this list- which says how deep this class will be. The future is BRIGHT in the state of Kentucky!
    Very similar list to mine... I left Reakwon Long off my list because I based my list off a combination of current abilities and future potential. I think Long is all future potential and is still very much a project, but then again; what 7 footer isn't? I would need to see him play for a Kentucky team before placing him our top 10.... I think that's only fair.

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    1. Quintin Goodin
    2. Braxton Beverly
    3. Carson Williams
    4. Malik Dow
    5. Raekwon Long
    6. Mason Faulkner
    7. Eli Wright
    8. Kevin Kirby
    9. Perry Ayers
    10a. Will Hager
    10b. Colton Elkins

    Also reserve a spot in the top 10 for the kid at Cordia if he gets eligible.

    Honorable Mention: Ben Weyer, Tyler Sharpe, Marquis McClendon, Isaiah Knight, Jared Farris, Robert Dalton, Larry Whelan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubletake1906 View Post
    That's great to hear, but that's a tall order considering some of the players that have come through that program. I hope he does improve his game as well of all these kids, but it's hard to work backwards when it comes to fundamentals. Not saying he can't improve, but he has a lot of work to do before being close to a D1 guard. To say that he could be better than Josh Carrier (UK), Chane Behanan (UofL National Champion), Caleb Halcomb (WKU), or Terrez Dewalt (EKU) is a stretch.
    He'll end up being a wing and he has the potential to be on the same level as those guys.
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    I've thought of a few honorable mentions

    G Mason Faulkner Caverna- averaged 18p for V as a Frosh
    G Tyler Sharpe Bullitt East- great shooter and valuable player for Team Manimal
    F Jared Farris Bullitt East- Big post player who improves each time he's on the court (Transfer from Somerset)
    G Matt Miller John Hardin- PG for 15u State Champion Kentucky Heat
    C Shelby Combs Montgomery County- Big Post Player who played for Kentucky Travelers 16u for a stint
    G Darius Williams PL Dunbar- 6-3 Combo guard for Louisville Magic- Nice game
    G Trevor Hill Lexington Christian Academy- Good Shooter who transferred from Corbin- originally played for L-Ville Magic before moving to Kentucky Elite
    G Corey Stearns Wayne County- Starter for Sweet 16 team Wayne County- won a dunk contest as a 7th grader
    G Ajenee Chisolm Cordia- played up for Louisville Magic 16's at the Eddie Ford Hoopfest
    G Will Hager Mercer County- Good scorer who plays for Hoop Dreams 15's
    C Khiry Shelton Tates Creek- Big C who logged quality minutes for Tates Creek V last year.
    G Andre Davis Bryan Station- Talented PG who will join CJ Walker and Jordan Henry to give Bryan Station a formidable backcourt
    G Tay Guyn Scott County- Big, athletic guard who is brothers with Cincinnati's Ge-Lawn Guyn

    I feel like I should mention the talent in Bourbon County (Each player either started V or was the first off the bench)
    G James Clark Paris
    G/F Wan Dumphord Paris
    G/F Wane Dumphord Paris
    G/F Keobe Garrard Paris
    G/F Chandler Thomas Bourbon County
    G Austin Rankin Bourbon County

    I don't have many Louisville or Louisville Area players on here just where i'm not as familiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Forgot about Raekwon Long.
    If we're ranking based on potential...he might be No. 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    If we're ranking based on potential...he might be No. 1.
    I think if he stays at Scott County and develops there instead of transferring every year and never really getting comfortable like we see a lot of players today do, he could be a special player. Playing for one of the best coaches to do it in Coach Hicks will have its benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    1. Quintin Goodin
    2. Braxton Beverly
    3. Carson Williams
    4. Malik Dow
    5. Raekwon Long
    6. Mason Faulkner
    7. Eli Wright
    8. Kevin Kirby
    9. Perry Ayers
    10a. Will Hager
    10b. Colton Elkins

    Also reserve a spot in the top 10 for the kid at Cordia if he gets eligible.

    Honorable Mention: Ben Weyer, Tyler Sharpe, Marquis McClendon, Isaiah Knight, Jared Farris, Robert Dalton, Larry Whelan
    Noticing A LOT of Team Manimal on your 2 list... Ayers wasn't even top 3 on his team let alone Top 10 in the State IMO. The first 3 from Hoop Dreams deserve to make the list, however I feel that Hager is a stretch. If Malik is #4 then you have to place Eli Wright ahead of him because he is the exact same player with better handles, better jump shot, better footwork, and the list goes on. I love Braxtons Game, but I wouldn't place him higher then #4 on any list, because I think KY has at least 3 players that will go to higher D1 schools and end up being better players. Even though I don't agree with the order of some of your picks; I think it is 80% correct. IMO Hager could have a chance at a Top 20 list and Ayers Top 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubletake1906 View Post
    That's great to hear, but that's a tall order considering some of the players that have come through that program. I hope he does improve his game as well of all these kids, but it's hard to work backwards when it comes to fundamentals. Not saying he can't improve, but he has a lot of work to do before being close to a D1 guard. To say that he could be better than Josh Carrier (UK), Chane Behanan (UofL National Champion), Caleb Halcomb (WKU), or Terrez Dewalt (EKU) is a stretch.
    I just know what the person who is working with him in BG is telling me. And that person is one of the all time greats to play at BG and has D-1 pedigree so I have no reason to doubt his words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubletake1906 View Post
    Noticing A LOT of Team Manimal on your 2 list... Ayers wasn't even top 3 on his team let alone Top 10 in the State IMO. The first 3 from Hoop Dreams deserve to make the list, however I feel that Hager is a stretch. If Malik is #4 then you have to place Eli Wright ahead of him because he is the exact same player with better handles, better jump shot, better footwork, and the list goes on. I love Braxtons Game, but I wouldn't place him higher then #4 on any list, because I think KY has at least 3 players that will go to higher D1 schools and end up being better players. Even though I don't agree with the order of some of your picks; I think it is 80% correct. IMO Hager could have a chance at a Top 20 list and Ayers Top 50.
    There are several Team Manimal players on my list because they are good players. Beverly was mentioned in USA Today as one of the top 2016 players in the Peach Jam and he has been impressive all summer playing against older competition which happens to be the best in the nation (Tyus Jones, etc.). He has multiple scholarship offers already. After thinking about it, I'd probably move Dow down my list a little.

    If you think Ayers could have a chance at making the top 50, I'd tell you to watch him again soon and give an updated opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    If we're ranking based on potential...he might be No. 1.
    I'm not ranking based on potential. I'm not going to do a ranking at all. This is a tough class to rank. Potential wise Colton Elkins has tremendous upside and potential and would be in my top 5 based on potential. He could be one of the best ever to play for the Rebels. I was amazed at his growth when I saw him on Tuesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I'm not ranking based on potential. I'm not going to do a ranking at all. This is a tough class to rank. Potential wise Colton Elkins has tremendous upside and potential and would be in my top 5 based on potential. He could be one of the best ever to play for the Rebels. I was amazed at his growth when I saw him on Tuesday.
    I liked him a lot when I watched him this summer too. I had to ask around to find out who he was lol.

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    I hesitated to do a ranking too but why not? Something to talk about at least... In all honesty, I havent' watched everyone even on my own list enough to truly evaluate them but one thing we can all agree on...the next 3-4 years will be good for KY high school hoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    I hesitated to do a ranking too but why not? Something to talk about at least... In all honesty, I havent' watched everyone even on my own list enough to truly evaluate them but one thing we can all agree on...the next 3-4 years will be good for KY high school hoops.
    Absolutely. I'm already ready for basketball season. Geeked!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireman View Post
    There are several Team Manimal players on my list because they are good players. Beverly was mentioned in USA Today as one of the top 2016 players in the Peach Jam and he has been impressive all summer playing against older competition which happens to be the best in the nation (Tyus Jones, etc.). He has multiple scholarship offers already. After thinking about it, I'd probably move Dow down my list a little.

    If you think Ayers could have a chance at making the top 50, I'd tell you to watch him again soon and give an updated opinion.
    I agree with what you say regarding Braxton, but of course he was one of the more impressive 2016 kids there. There were only about 10 of them playing. Not to take anything away from him but I just said I would have him no higher than 4. I have seen the Ayers kid play recently as well as earlier in the season. From what I noticed, he played better earlier in the season then he did later in the season. I think teams figured his game out and that he has trouble driving to his off hand. Potential wise, he could be good, but as stated before, he has A LOT of work to do. And as for him being a 3 at the next level, he would have to grow at least another 4 inches. Being 6'0" - 6'1" does not translate to a D1 SF....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubletake1906 View Post
    Noticing A LOT of Team Manimal on your 2 list... Ayers wasn't even top 3 on his team let alone Top 10 in the State IMO. The first 3 from Hoop Dreams deserve to make the list, however I feel that Hager is a stretch. If Malik is #4 then you have to place Eli Wright ahead of him because he is the exact same player with better handles, better jump shot, better footwork, and the list goes on. I love Braxtons Game, but I wouldn't place him higher then #4 on any list, because I think KY has at least 3 players that will go to higher D1 schools and end up being better players. Even though I don't agree with the order of some of your picks; I think it is 80% correct. IMO Hager could have a chance at a Top 20 list and Ayers Top 50.
    Doubletake, I believe you're the fellow that said in a post last week that you'd heard that Hoop Dreams 15's were breaking up - which is completely false. And that my son (Will Hager) would be better off if that happened because he wouldn't be on the bench and would thus get the looks from college coaches that he deserves. As was stated then, he was a starter for the team all year and probably logged top 3 minutes on the team (even true in Orlando last week when he couldn't raise his right arm over shoulder level). My point is that, if you didn't even know enough about the dynamics of Hoop Dreams' team to know that he logged nearly as many minutes as any player on the team, you obvioulsy either didn't see us play very often or weren't paying attention. And being a Western KY guy, I'm pretty sure you didn't see us any in high school this year either. I'm not arguing his place in the rankings, but I'm not sure your basis for evaluation of him, whether good or bad. Why you'd call him out a couple of times over the last 2 weeks is a little perplexing, to say the least.

    And then your comments on Ayers - even more questionable given the tenor of them. When Manimal beat us this year at state, he killed us. And your previous comment that you'd love to see Manimals' guards with bigs from other teams - not taking anything away from their guards, but without Ayers and Farris, how would that team have fared??? I don't believe that's giving them the credit they deserve the team's success. That you wold say top 50 is even more perplexing.

    Just saying...

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    Regarding your comment of how often I have seen Hoop Dreams play; I have seen them play in at least 3 tournaments in the last couple years. That includes 2-3 games in each tournament. I have seen a number of their players play outside of Hoop Dreams, and don't bother to ask when and where because that would just be too taxing.... Now as I have said to you before, I believe your son to be very talented and could start and be featured on a number of teams around the state, but when we begin to talk Top 10, we are talking the Elite of the Elite! Kids who are top 10 players should make the game look easy in their age groups, and if they don't then they shouldn't be in the discussion. If we are saying that Some of the players named are one of those top 10 players, then what does that say about basketball in the State? Now I am sure that I watch enough basketball throughout the state and nation for that matter to make such a statement. What Farris and Ayers did playing with Manimal against Hoop Dreams was awesome, but I doubt that colleges determine their opinions about players from one game and I think you should take the same approach.... I have seen them play multiple times and as stated before these may not even be the best players on their team. I have talked with a college coach that thinks 3 of their best players come off the bench... When I make statements, it is without bias. Ayers being is a kid going to my Alma Mater who I knew of and watched before you had a clue who he was. I recognized his potential then and there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying he is good, but not top 10... A huge part of Manimals success was great coaching, teamwork, and effort... But I am a realist without a political agenda, and to say that they have 3 players outside of Sharpe and Fualkner that are top 10 or just outside the top 10 is far fetched. And I think most would agree with me.

    Just Saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by First View Post
    I will post my top 20 (professional opinion, of course )in a little while as well.
    ;

    So I came with a top 18 instead, in 3 groups:

    Top 5
    1. Goodin - Clearly the best in this class. As good as or better than anyone currently with a skill set that transfers well to the next level. Enough said.
    2. Kirby - probably the best player that never gets talked about. Long, athletic, good feet and hands. Tall and looks like could have some growth left. If he does, then he could be a major D1 with continued work.
    3. (Carson) Williams - maybe the "best"player right now in that he's almost unstoppable, at least around here. So strong and good leaper. Surprisingly good in the open floor (break). If he can get 2-3" more, look out!
    4. Beverly - I like his game better than anyone on the list. Such a great floor general. Knows how to compensate for his size and lack of quickness when playing against better athletes. He makes the team better. Downside is his size given that he's not going to be quicker than D1 guards.
    5. Wright - haven't seen him play enough, but he certainly looks the part of a D1 guard. Good body, speed and strength. Significant upside.

    Next 8 (alphabetical order)
    Ayers
    Dow
    Hager
    Hill
    McClendon
    Jordan Perry
    Darius Williams
    Weyer

    Next 5
    Elkins
    Faulkner
    Farris
    Stearns
    Long - haven't seen this kid, but being 7 feet gets you on the list.