Statement by AHSAA (Alabama) Central Board of Control President Johnny Hardin

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    There is a huge difference between "doing things right" and "doing the right thing". And, that is where this whole travesty is. Executives are in their position to establish rules to guide the masses to do things right; but, when there are cracks in the justice of it all they have to be big enough to do the right thing. I will repeat this girl's/family crime does not fit the punishment. It was USA Basketball where she was representing her country. AHSAA do the "right thing" for this young girl. Her punishment to date far exceeds any point you feel a need to make.
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    The fact that "it's USA Basketball" couldn't be more irrelevant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I’m not sure I believe they knew they couldn’t deposit it. I have a hard time believing they would knowingly deposit it knowing her high school career would be finished. AHSAA can say what they want to save face but with all of the exceptions in rules I can see how confusion can set in. Especially when USA Basketball is paying for everything else for these kids. I coached middle school basketball and no way did I know every single rule and bylaw.

    They made a mistake. They rectified it. She’s missed plenty of games by now as punishment so like you said, let her play now.
    No chance they didn't know taking money wasn't allowed. That is common sense, especially when Mom is a coach and she is apparently a very talented HS player that has already signed with an NCAA school.

    I think she's served enough time for the infraction, and think she should probably be able to play now. But she/they definitely broke the rules, and probably didn't give the money back until they found out it was going to be an issue.

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    How I understand this issue (From Listening to Bilas and reading articles); had USA basketball contacted the AHSAA before hand and let them know what this money was for, she would have even been allowed to keep the money! All the players on the team (and for every USA team) gets reimbursement money for travel which is what this money was for. People get reimbursed for travel and expenses all the time...especially in school systems. Had I been the parent I probably wouldn't have thought twice about this.

    The head of the USA basketball program spoke on this players behalf at her appeal and told the AHSAA that is their fault, they (USA Basketball) dropped the ball and forgot to call the AHSAA before the check was issued.

    This is wrong...AHSAA needs to rectify this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie1 View Post
    How I understand this issue (From Listening to Bilas and reading articles); had USA basketball contacted the AHSAA before hand and let them know what this money was for, she would have even been allowed to keep the money! All the players on the team (and for every USA team) gets reimbursement money for travel which is what this money was for. People get reimbursed for travel and expenses all the time...especially in school systems. Had I been the parent I probably wouldn't have thought twice about this.
    "The AHSAA Amateur Rule states in part “A student cannot accept payment for loss of time or wages while participating in athletics as part of expenses . . ."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    No chance they didn't know taking money wasn't allowed. That is common sense, especially when Mom is a coach and she is apparently a very talented HS player that has already signed with an NCAA school.

    I think she's served enough time for the infraction, and think she should probably be able to play now. But she/they definitely broke the rules, and probably didn't give the money back until they found out it was going to be an issue.
    So what you are saying is that her mom, a coach, gets a check from a reputable organization, not just any reputable organization....USA Basketball....and they cashed that check knowing that cashing that $857 check would end her senior season?

    I ain’t believing that at all. Had it been from Nike or Adidas, sure. USA Basketball? There is no ill intention from USA Basketball. Show me the kid who plays all summer for USA Basketball and gets a check from them and doesn’t deposit it. And then show me a set of kids and parents who know for a fact that they’d be ruled ineligible for a year by depositing that check and they still do it.

    No way they knew it was that big of a deal. No way in hell. Otherwise they wouldn’t have deposited it.

    The whole purpose of the rule of not taking money is to keep folks from paying you to choose them. USA Basketball isn’t like Nike and Adidas. Not even the same category. They aren’t trying to sway anyone to come to them. They can pick who they want. Whole new world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    "The AHSAA Amateur Rule states in part “A student cannot accept payment for loss of time or wages while participating in athletics as part of expenses . . ."
    But they let them play AAU right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    So what you are saying is that her mom, a coach, gets a check from a reputable organization, not just any reputable organization....USA Basketball....and they cashed that check knowing that cashing that $857 check would end her senior season?

    I ain’t believing that at all. Had it been from Nike or Adidas, sure. USA Basketball? There is no ill intention from USA Basketball. Show me the kid who plays all summer for USA Basketball and gets a check from them and doesn’t deposit it. And then show me a set of kids and parents who know for a fact that they’d be ruled ineligible for a year by depositing that check and they still do it.

    No way they knew it was that big of a deal. No way in hell. Otherwise they wouldn’t have deposited it.

    The whole purpose of the rule of not taking money is to keep folks from paying you to choose them. USA Basketball isn’t like Nike and Adidas. Not even the same category. They aren’t trying to sway anyone to come to them. They can pick who they want. Whole new world.
    I hear what you are saying... But I don't think it has anything to do with the intent of The Davenport's or USA Basketball. If they would have received the check and immediately returned it, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You can't convince me they didn't at least think about what ramifications accepting ANY money from ANY entity might have. They've been through the recruiting process. At least ask somebody before you do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Show me the kid who plays all summer for USA Basketball and gets a check from them and doesn’t deposit it.
    Okay...

    It should be pointed out that a high school student from Illinois also received payment from USA Basketball. However, that student called her high school once she received the check and then returned the check to USA Basketball without cashing or depositing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    I hear what you are saying... But I don't think it has anything to do with the intent of The Davenport's or USA Basketball. If they would have received the check and immediately returned it, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You can't convince me they didn't at least think about what ramifications accepting ANY money from ANY entity might have. They've been through the recruiting process. At least ask somebody before you do anything.
    Forget all that. The money was sent back. AHSAA needs to move on with some common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    Okay...

    It should be pointed out that a high school student from Illinois also received payment from USA Basketball. However, that student called her high school once she received the check and then returned the check to USA Basketball without cashing or depositing it.
    Good for her for being on top of things and for being in a situation where when she gets money she doesn’t apply it to her own use. She asks around before she spends it. That’s a luxury I hope she has for the rest of her life.

    Send me a check and watch what happens to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    That is more information in writing on one eligibility case than the KHSAA has provided on every eligibility case in KY over the past ten years.
    I agree but the AHSAA's decision takes us further down the rabbit hole.

    State Athletic Associations are branches of the Government which means in this case the Government decided it was in their best interests to publicly share information about a student-athlete's eligibility.

    As far as why the Government shared it in this case the brief offers the following:

    Several facts involved in the ruling have either been misstated or ignored; therefore, I feel the need to provide the following details:

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    Lastly, misstated facts and placing Mr. Savarese’s email on social media has led to Mr. Savarese and the AHSAA staff receiving threatening, irresponsible, and vulgar communications.

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    Moving forward, the AHSAA's decision to share all this private information sets a precedent for the sharing of all decisions by all state athletic associations.

    Additionally, if a state athletic association doesn't want to share all their decisions in the future this decision trains the masses to use the power of social media, email, and various criminal tactics to force the Government's hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I agree but the AHSAA's decision takes us further down the rabbit hole.

    State Athletic Associations are branches of the Government which means in this case the Government decided it was in their best interests to publicly share information about a student-athlete's eligibility.

    As far as why the Government shared it in this case the brief offers the following:

    Several facts involved in the ruling have either been misstated or ignored; therefore, I feel the need to provide the following details:

    AND

    Lastly, misstated facts and placing Mr. Savarese’s email on social media has led to Mr. Savarese and the AHSAA staff receiving threatening, irresponsible, and vulgar communications.

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    Moving forward, the AHSAA's decision to share all this private information sets a precedent for the sharing of all decisions by all state athletic associations.

    Additionally, if a state athletic association doesn't want to share all their decisions in the future this decision trains the masses to use the power of social media, email, and various criminal tactics to force the Government's hand.
    Is this within the power of the Alabama governor to grant clemency? He can do it for those found guilty of murder. Maybe shock probation and grant her time served as adequate? The punishment does not fit the young ladies crime. AHSAA do the right thing, for crying out loud.

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    A judge ruled in her favor and she is immediately eligible. She is playing tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    A judge ruled in her favor and she is immediately eligible. She is playing tonight.
    Thanks for keeping up with the story and sharing it @PurplePride92

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