OLDEST rivalry in Kentucky?

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    Off the top of my head, I only feel comfortable listing the
    1928 Carr Creek team and its 4 overtime loss in the
    state finals to Ashland. I realize this is only a quasi
    rivalry because the teams didn't regularly schedule
    each other. Most of the early and very good teams
    were, originally, coal camp teams or coal town teams.

    Many of the coal town teams eg Hazard, Jenkins, Lynch(?)
    Harlan and Middlesboro still field teams. However, their
    decline can be marked with the gradual decline of their
    once teeming boom town populations.

    Teams like Wayland, Carr Creek, Hindman, Dilce Combs,
    Viper, Vicco, M.C. Napier, Whitesburg and numerous
    unmentioned teams from the mountains have suffered
    the fate of economic consolidation.

    I realize that I stepped out of the 14th a couple of times here.
    However, since Wayland was "just over the hill" from Carr
    Creek, the Wayland vs Carr Creek vs Hindman vs Hazard
    rivalries were fairly intense. For sure, smaller schools
    had rivalries that carried extreme passion.

    I'm unsure of our definition of rivalry here. Are we saying teams
    that regularly schedule one another, teams that might only
    meet frequently in playoff elimination games, and/or ne'er
    do well teams that play each other with ferocity each year?

    My school had no football program. While I'm a fan of
    h.s. football now, I had only here say knowledge of
    football when I was in high school. Why? Hazard was
    a one hour, hard mountain road drive for me. But
    I would beg, borrow or steal to get to a Hazard bball
    game. For example, I borrowed (till summer) $10.
    from my Dad in order to hire someone to drive me
    and my friends to the 1962 Hazard vs St. X game.

    Sorry, I have taken a detour to memory lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 03Sauger View Post
    Off the top of my head, I only feel comfortable listing the
    1928 Carr Creek team and its 4 overtime loss in the
    state finals to Ashland. I realize this is only a quasi
    rivalry because the teams didn't regularly schedule
    each other. Most of the early and very good teams
    were, originally, coal camp teams or coal town teams.

    Many of the coal town teams eg Hazard, Jenkins, Lynch(?)
    Harlan and Middlesboro still field teams. However, their
    decline can be marked with the gradual decline of their
    once teeming boom town populations.

    Teams like Wayland, Carr Creek, Hindman, Dilce Combs,
    Viper, Vicco, M.C. Napier, Whitesburg and numerous
    unmentioned teams from the mountains have suffered
    the fate of economic consolidation.

    I realize that I stepped out of the 14th a couple of times here.
    However, since Wayland was "just over the hill" from Carr
    Creek, the Wayland vs Carr Creek vs Hindman vs Hazard
    rivalries were fairly intense. For sure, smaller schools
    had rivalries that carried extreme passion.

    I'm unsure of our definition of rivalry here. Are we saying teams
    that regularly schedule one another, teams that might only
    meet frequently in playoff elimination games, and/or ne'er
    do well teams that play each other with ferocity each year?

    My school had no football program. While I'm a fan of
    h.s. football now, I had only here say knowledge of
    football when I was in high school. Why? Hazard was
    a one hour, hard mountain road drive for me. But
    I would beg, borrow or steal to get to a Hazard bball
    game. For example, I borrowed (till summer) $10.
    from my Dad in order to hire someone to drive me
    and my friends to the 1962 Hazard vs St. X game.

    Sorry, I have taken a detour to memory lane.
    Thank you for the detour. Your memories are a welcome addition to any topic.

    While I think @brooksville was looking for the oldest rivalry in Kentucky in his OP, I wasn't sure if you knew of teams in EKY that went way back too. That's why I "requested" you to join us. Maybe we can find an older thread that is more specific about the BEST basketball rivalry. You bring up some good points in questioning the definition of a rivalry. I'll have to give that some thought.

    Maybe this will help -
    http://khsaa.org/records/basketball/...lchampions.pdf

    Thanks again for posting. Hope to see you here again soon.

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    How old is Paintsville/Pikeville? Not from there so I do not know the extent of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03Sauger View Post
    Off the top of my head, I only feel comfortable listing the
    1928 Carr Creek team and its 4 overtime loss in the
    state finals to Ashland. I realize this is only a quasi
    rivalry because the teams didn't regularly schedule
    each other. Most of the early and very good teams
    were, originally, coal camp teams or coal town teams.

    Many of the coal town teams eg Hazard, Jenkins, Lynch(?)
    Harlan and Middlesboro still field teams. However, their
    decline can be marked with the gradual decline of their
    once teeming boom town populations.

    Teams like Wayland, Carr Creek, Hindman, Dilce Combs,
    Viper, Vicco, M.C. Napier, Whitesburg and numerous
    unmentioned teams from the mountains have suffered
    the fate of economic consolidation.

    I realize that I stepped out of the 14th a couple of times here.
    However, since Wayland was "just over the hill" from Carr
    Creek, the Wayland vs Carr Creek vs Hindman vs Hazard
    rivalries were fairly intense. For sure, smaller schools
    had rivalries that carried extreme passion.

    I'm unsure of our definition of rivalry here. Are we saying teams
    that regularly schedule one another, teams that might only
    meet frequently in playoff elimination games, and/or ne'er
    do well teams that play each other with ferocity each year?

    My school had no football program. While I'm a fan of
    h.s. football now, I had only here say knowledge of
    football when I was in high school. Why? Hazard was
    a one hour, hard mountain road drive for me. But
    I would beg, borrow or steal to get to a Hazard bball
    game. For example, I borrowed (till summer) $10.
    from my Dad in order to hire someone to drive me
    and my friends to the 1962 Hazard vs St. X game.

    Sorry, I have taken a detour to memory lane.
    Awesome info, 03S. Glad to have you here on the site!

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    I talked to Jeff Bridgeman today (author of Kentucky High School Basketball Encyclopedia.) He is putting together a football book...due out next fall...just like the roundball one.

    While talking about the history of Western Kentucky teams, he mentioned that Henderson football goes back to 1895.

    I have a note from the Madisonville Messenger in 1944 that said:

    Longest running rivalries in the WKC (Western Kentucky Conference
    1. Henderson vs. Owensboro...started in 1903 (O’boro won the 1944 game 39-0 and led the series 27-13-6)
    2. Madisonville vs. Hopkinsville...started in 1907.
    3. Paducah vs. Mayfield...started in 1911.

    (Obviously that's a football note. Sorry I don't have anything to add to the roundball part of it.)
    Last edited by broadcaster; Nov 14, 17 at 10:59 PM. Reason: adding info

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    Quote Originally Posted by brooksville View Post
    I was thinking about Bracken County and Augusta and the two have been rivals ever since the 1920’s So I was just wondering which one was the oldest, not the best.
    Bracken leads the series 148-49

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCDAWGS19 View Post
    Bracken leads the series 148-49
    Has there ever been a year when they didn't play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    Actual unretouched photo of Irish Cat:

    This actually looks like an old guy who used to frequent 15th Region teams in the 90's and called himself "Doc". He was allegedly a trainer at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gchs_uk9 View Post
    Has there ever been a year when they didn't play?
    1933-34 and 2016-17 season to my knowledge. Don’t have records before that
    Bracken County/Brooksville was founded in 1920 officially. But Brokksville has been there since late 1800.
    Last edited by brooksville; Nov 15, 17 at 04:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gchs_uk9 View Post
    Has there ever been a year when they didn't play?
    last year...and this year. All over the seed/draw debate. Before that? I highly doubt it. Usually played at least twice, and once the All A started, 3-4 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brooksville View Post
    1933-34 and 2016-17 season to my knowledge. Don’t have records before that
    Bracken County/Brooksville was founded in 1920 officially. But Brokksville has been there since late 1800.
    Wonder why they didn't play in 33-34?

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