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    In the St. Henry thread, someone commented on Coach Faust and said "great coach". I have heard many people call Coach Faust great. It got me wondering what makes a coach great. I don't want this to be about Coach Faust but since his name caused me to wonder about the comment, here is St. Henry's record over the past ten years under Faust:

    2018 ... 12-17
    2017 ... 6-21
    2016 ... 14-17
    2015 ... 20-13
    2014 ... 14-11
    2013 ... 10-16
    2012 ... 12-14
    2011 ... 5-18
    2010 ... 14-11
    2009 ... 15-12

    Four winning seasons out of the last 10. One season with 6 wins and another with 5. Overall record of 122-150 over the past ten years. Going by wins and losses, no one would jump to say "great coach". But there is no doubt Coach Faust has had success over the years and knows how to coach.

    So what makes someone think a coach is great? It isn't just about wins and losses obviously. Is it longevity? How much success does a coach need to have to be called great by some? What else goes into making people say a coach is great?
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    A great coach is the coach makes the game about the kid and not themselves. A great coach spends time teaching life lessons thru the game of basketball. A great coach takes young men and makes fine upstanding men. Ultimately very few coaches will every coach a professional basketball player. Wins and losses ultimately come down to who has the better athletes. If you want to know who the best coaches are ask their players 10 years after they stop playing the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basketball1235 View Post
    A great coach is the coach makes the game about the kid and not themselves. A great coach spends time teaching life lessons thru the game of basketball. A great coach takes young men and makes fine upstanding men. Ultimately very few coaches will every coach a professional basketball player. Wins and losses ultimately come down to who has the better athletes. If you want to know who the best coaches are ask their players 10 years after they stop playing the game.
    The bold is a point I was hoping someone would make in this thread. Wins and losses are dictated by talent.

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    Coach- : a person who teaches and trains an athlete or performer. : a person who teaches and trains the members of a sports team and makes decisions about how the team plays during games.

    This is the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition, according to Google.

    So, technically, a “great coach”, would be one that develops players to become the best they can individually be in a sport or performance, and one who makes decisions to help a team/athlete be successful.

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    Faust probably does a great job developing the talent he gets. But, his “greatness” can’t be compared to Ruthsatz, Sullivan, Russell, Hicks, or Szabo because Faust has never had that talent level at St. Henry. Hard for head coaching greatness to be solely measured in wins and losses

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkLife View Post
    Coach- : a person who teaches and trains an athlete or performer. : a person who teaches and trains the members of a sports team and makes decisions about how the team plays during games.

    This is the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition, according to Google.

    So, technically, a “great coach”, would be one that develops players to become the best they can individually be in a sport or performance, and one who makes decisions to help a team/athlete be successful.
    I had many great coaches and the teams I was on was very successful. The coaches I would say was the greatest taught me Accountability.
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    What is success? Wins /losses? Growing up, I was focused on winning. I’m glad my coaches taught me teamwork and accountability. In my own coaching career parents and kids want to say great accolades to me. I always tell the parents, see you in 10 years if the the young athlete comes back and says you made the difference in my life,then I was a good coach. I hope when just 1 of my athletes say coach was the reason I did or didn’t make the rite decisions in my life. That’s the great coaches, the ones who get that phone call from the kid who says you made the difference in my life.
    Webster dictionary definition of a coach is who is the best recruiter.

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    The perception I'm getting here is that based on his past ten years, Dave Faust is garnering accolades more for his longevity than his success on the hardwood.

    Rewind to 2003 when Coach Faust did have the athletes and not only won the 9th Region "A" Classic, the "A" State Championship over a stacked Rose Hill team, the 9th Region Championship, and only an injury to a key player in the opening round of the KHSAA State Tournament at Rupp allowed for a 2 point win by Mason County, who went on to win the State Championship that year.

    Let's assume that Coach Faust accomplished the above feat in 2017-18.
    Would anyone at all be questioning his credability as a "great coach."

    I've always considered Coach Faust's teams to be over-achievers, and a program that has done it the right way. Rarely does the transfers bus pull up at 3755 Scheben Drive.

    While analyzing his wins and losses over the past ten years, some might question what that grid might look like were HE not the head coach.

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    I have known Dave while he played in college for a great coach in Jim Connor. I considered Dave Faust a great coach by getting his players to become best possible ​ players. He definitely molds his players to be men with attributes to be successful after they stop playing. I have great respect for this man.You can't always control your talent. He makes the most of the kids at St. Henry.

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    Dave Faust is a fantastic coach. Numbers can be deceiving, but this man builds the right way and teaches the game in the correct way. SO many good points in this thread from other posters, but he gets the most out of each team that plays for him. You also never hear of ignorance coming out of that program either, which is also a tip of the hat to him. Tremendous respect for Coach Faust from this poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basketball1235 View Post
    I had many great coaches and the teams I was on was very successful. The coaches I would say was the greatest taught me Accountability.
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    What is success? Wins /losses? Growing up, I was focused on winning. Iím glad my coaches taught me teamwork and accountability. In my own coaching career parents and kids want to say great accolades to me. I always tell the parents, see you in 10 years if the the young athlete comes back and says you made the difference in my life,then I was a good coach. I hope when just 1 of my athletes say coach was the reason I did or didnít make the rite decisions in my life. Thatís the great coaches, the ones who get that phone call from the kid who says you made the difference in my life.
    Webster dictionary definition of a coach is who is the best recruiter.
    My point was.... success looks different to every team and every player. Some players donít need the accountability, responsibility, character building, love, etc., as they get it from home from good parents and families. That kid needs skill development, and the teaching of basketball intelligence. Kid # 2, may have all the skill in the world, but has no man/woman at home to teach them what character, manners, and accountability look like, so they need a coach to show them the way of life, so they can use their skill to be successful. Kid number 3 may need a mixture.

    A coach should always be a role model, be approachable, have an open door for current and former players, and want to see his players become great people and be successful in life. But, in my opinion, and most importantly, a great coach understands the game, game decision making, skill development, and how to handle each individual player and what they need. Itís quite the task to be a great coach.

    Ps. In all of these regards, I think most former and current players/families would tell you that Faust is a great coach.

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    VOR, found this thread to have posters that have seen in Coach Faust what I have. I personally think his past players could not agree more.

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    @Mustang, @Hoosiers, @Miller, @Oldercoach

    As mentioned in the initial post, the thread isn't about Coach Faust. His career does present a good example to discuss the question posed about what makes a coach great. The earlier posters brought up points I was hoping to hear about what makes someone a great coach and that it is about more than wins and losses.

    I also believe the wins and losses are as much if not more a product of the talent on a roster versus how good a coach is. That brings up another angle to add to the discussion. Can an average coach win big if he/she has enough talent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    In the St. Henry thread, someone commented on Coach Faust and said "great coach". I have heard many people call Coach Faust great. It got me wondering what makes a coach great. I don't want this to be about Coach Faust but since his name caused me to wonder about the comment, here is St. Henry's record over the past ten years under Faust:

    2018 ... 12-17
    2017 ... 6-21
    2016 ... 14-17
    2015 ... 20-13
    2014 ... 14-11
    2013 ... 10-16
    2012 ... 12-14
    2011 ... 5-18
    2010 ... 14-11
    2009 ... 15-12

    Four winning seasons out of the last 10. One season with 6 wins and another with 5. Overall record of 122-150 over the past ten years. Going by wins and losses, no one would jump to say "great coach". But there is no doubt Coach Faust has had success over the years and knows how to coach.

    So what makes someone think a coach is great? It isn't just about wins and losses obviously. Is it longevity? How much success does a coach need to have to be called great by some? What else goes into making people say a coach is great?
    First and foremost, this exclude Coach Faust from this thread. If someone put this record in front of you, I don't believe anyone would say it was a record of a great coach, maybe of a great guy, but not a great coach. In all due respect, I think to be classified a great coach you better have a winning record. That record would get most coaches replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    @Mustang, @Hoosiers, @Miller, @Oldercoach

    As mentioned in the initial post, the thread isn't about Coach Faust. His career does present a good example to discuss the question posed about what makes a coach great. The earlier posters brought up points I was hoping to hear about what makes someone a great coach and that it is about more than wins and losses.

    I also believe the wins and losses are as much if not more a product of the talent on a roster versus how good a coach is. That brings up another angle to add to the discussion. Can an average coach win big if he/she has enough talent?
    Good coaches can help pull off
    A big win. As a whole you have have to have talent.

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    To move this off of Coach Faust, here is a link to the winningest coaches in KY high school basketball history.

    https://khsaa.org/records/basketball...ok_coaches.pdf

    There are ten active coaches on this list with over 500 career wins. Five of those coaches had losing records last year and another was just one game over .500 at 15-14. One of them was 5-22 last year. Are those 5 coaches great coaches?

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