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    Covington Catholic 63 St. Henry 47

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    Is Thelen playing for CCH ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4 Quarters View Post
    Is Thelen playing for CCH ?
    Yes

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    The Colonels look all out of sorts early in the season. They turned the ball over 19 times tonight, and went 3-15 from three again. It seems like everyone keeps looking around for CJ or Aiden to appear and hit a big shot, and they're beginning to realize that won't happen. It's going to take some work for this squad to play as a unit, but once the talent puts it all together, they'll be fine.

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    I was there in attendance. I will say that is the 2nd ugliest game I saw them play in person this week behind yesterday at Highlands. 19 turnovers which led to easy buckets, I am guessing they were something like 3-17/18 from three, they missed free throws, and there passing was just bad. They seemed so rushed on everything, and when the shots arent't falling (most uncontested), they would end up getting a offensive foul trying to rebound. CCH is tall, St. Henry not so much. The Cru played Zone wisely with the size difference and CCH just could not get in a flow. Whenever Mayer becomes available, he will certainly add some stability with meaningful varsity minutes under his belt. They are the most talented team in the region, and I still feel they win region, but they haves lots to work on....namely shooting wide open 3's, and hitting FT's. If those would have happened at a average pace tonight, they win by 30-35. It's early.

    This will be Coach Ru's biggest challenge maybe since 11-12, his 1st season. They are all individually talented kids who would make any team better, but collectively way to many errant passes. Another thing: something that is therapeutic for this is to make your free throws. Those didn't go down most of the game.

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    No surprise to me that the Colonels are struggling early in the season. Look at what they lost from last year? One should expect it to take a bit to get in the groove. While the PG got some PT last year, this year his playing time and responsibility is so much more. He is replacing a multi year starter. Same for the other guys. Most of these guys saw the vast majority of their time in slop time. It will take some time for them to grow, and learn to play together. Talking to an assistant coach a month or so ago, he told me the exact same thing. He told me that they will most likely struggle a bit early but towards the end of the season they expect them to be right there at the top of the region.

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    This is a very talented group of boy's that need to let the game come to them. In the first half against HHS, they ran their offense at will. In the second half, their inexperience showed it's ugly head, in a big way. They didn't handle the physicality that the Birds handed out at all. They came unglued, and tried to rush the offense rather than running their offense. I expect that they will be in full gear after the Christmas break. January should be very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinglouie View Post
    No surprise to me that the Colonels are struggling early in the season. Look at what they lost from last year? One should expect it to take a bit to get in the groove. While the PG got some PT last year, this year his playing time and responsibility is so much more. He is replacing a multi year starter. Same for the other guys. Most of these guys saw the vast majority of their time in slop time. It will take some time for them to grow, and learn to play together. Talking to an assistant coach a month or so ago, he told me the exact same thing. He told me that they will most likely struggle a bit early but towards the end of the season they expect them to be right there at the top of the region.
    That’s a cop out. We’ve heard for years about how much talent is in the pipeline at CCH. “JV team has won this many games in a row”. “Did you see the freshman team, guys will have to transfer if they want to play”. CCH transfers not in the pecking order are making an impact at other schools, yet guys who have been playing together in the same program have to “gel” simply because they are now playing varsity.

    Sounds similar to the college team an hour south, other then the defense. Maybe the basketball talent is a bit over stated. Lots of athletic physical specimens who arent the best shooters. They’ll win games even against good teams with their defense and athleticism, but I’d guess they’ll see most teams slow it down and zone them and cause fits for the offense. Hard to zone them last year with Aiden and CJ.

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    The Cov Cath teams of the past 3-4 years have scored easily thanks to outstanding guard play - which included players who could create/make their own shots. Many of the current starters played complementary roles and scored primarily off sets/hustle plays/putbacks.

    It remains to be seen whether this team has the players to create their own offense - both in skill set and decision-making. While the team is gelling, opponents are scouting and evaluating players' strengths and weaknesses. It's a race - and ultimately talent will be the primary differentiator when it comes tournament time and the season shifts to a one-loss-and-you're-done format.

    My take - I'd go behind screens, give different zone looks, and make everybody prove they can consistently put the ball on the floor/knock down contested shots. Pretty basic - but at the same time - you let their bigs start playing downhill and it turns into a dunking/chest-bumping frenzy.

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    I watched this titanic struggle on line last night so things may have looked different in person.
    St.Henry started 3 sophs. And thought they played fairly well. Ravenscraft gets his first varsity start and looked confident and played well. Bessler was his usual active self and has a good motor. I'm still not sure what position Vieth plays. I would like to see him inside more, cutting to the basket. I would think you have to give a little credit to the Crusaders for playing CCH tough for the most part. They tend to lose focus late in games. (poor shot selection, turnovers, etc).
    CCH hit 14-18 foul shots, so I don't think that is poor FT shooting as @Bluesport alluded to earlier. (unless the KHSAA stats are wrong).
    I thought CCH played fairly uninspired ball. Their interior passing was atrocious. And if they weren't significantly bigger then they easily could have taken another L last night.
    Congratulations to the Colonels on the win.
    And since I didn't attend, what were the frosh and JV scores? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesport View Post
    I was there in attendance. I will say that is the 2nd ugliest game I saw them play in person this week behind yesterday at Highlands. 19 turnovers which led to easy buckets, I am guessing they were something like 3-17/18 from three, they missed free throws, and there passing was just bad. They seemed so rushed on everything, and when the shots arent't falling (most uncontested), they would end up getting a offensive foul trying to rebound. CCH is tall, St. Henry not so much. The Cru played Zone wisely with the size difference and CCH just could not get in a flow. Whenever Mayer becomes available, he will certainly add some stability with meaningful varsity minutes under his belt. They are the most talented team in the region, and I still feel they win region, but they haves lots to work on....namely shooting wide open 3's, and hitting FT's. If those would have happened at a average pace tonight, they win by 30-35. It's early.

    This will be Coach Ru's biggest challenge maybe since 11-12, his 1st season. They are all individually talented kids who would make any team better, but collectively way to many errant passes. Another thing: something that is therapeutic for this is to make your free throws. Those didn't go down most of the game.
    I agree with you on their 3's - it's been an ugly couple nights for their shooters.

    Regarding the free throws, KHSAA stats show they went 14 for 18 which isn't great but 78% is not bad. Thelen was 8 for 9 and Fleek was 2 for 2 - not bad for a couple bigs.

    They are definitely a work in progress!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jim View Post
    What were the frosh and JV scores? Thanks
    Didn't attend, but was told CovCath FROSH won, and SHDHS JV with a win by double digits. Can't vouch for either report and no nothing in terms of details beyond what I've shared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCBacon View Post
    That’s a cop out. We’ve heard for years about how much talent is in the pipeline at CCH. “JV team has won this many games in a row”. “Did you see the freshman team, guys will have to transfer if they want to play”. CCH transfers not in the pecking order are making an impact at other schools, yet guys who have been playing together in the same program have to “gel” simply because they are now playing varsity.

    Sounds similar to the college team an hour south, other then the defense. Maybe the basketball talent is a bit over stated. Lots of athletic physical specimens who arent the best shooters. They’ll win games even against good teams with their defense and athleticism, but I’d guess they’ll see most teams slow it down and zone them and cause fits for the offense. Hard to zone them last year with Aiden and CJ.
    And what does everyone on here say as well 'Frosh and JV success does not always translate to success at the Varsity level' Anyway, regardless how you feel, this team will need some time to play together and gel IMO. None of these guys were the scorers on Varsity last year. I doubt Coach ever drew up a play for any of them to be the number 1 option last year. He also needs time I would think to adjust to that as well as learning his lineup. Also, I do agree with you somewhat one your last point. How many guys on this team have College BBall offers? I believe the number is only 1. These guys are good High school players but to say that they are loaded with top level high school talent is simply not fair. I do think though that by the end of the year the team is capable of playing with the top teams in the region and state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinglouie View Post
    How many guys on this team have College BBall offers? I believe the number is only 1. These guys are good High school players but to say that they are loaded with top level high school talent is simply not fair. I do think though that by the end of the year the team is capable of playing with the top teams in the region and state.
    I heard someone else mention this, and I think it is worth repeating here: the storyline should be less about how good this CovCath team is or isn't (at least for now), and more about just how unbelievable last year's State Champion team was. Two kids that high level programs wanted, a future MAC QB, a point guard at Christian Brothers, and a kid playing two sports at TMC.

    This year's team may end up winning the 9th, and they may not, but to compare them to last year's team is unfair. Compare them to this year's Highlands team, this year's Cooper team, this year's Newport team, etc.

    Coach Ruthsatz and his army of suits will figure it out, or they won't, but it is high school basketball, let's keep that in perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCBacon View Post
    That’s a cop out. We’ve heard for years about how much talent is in the pipeline at CCH. “JV team has won this many games in a row”. “Did you see the freshman team, guys will have to transfer if they want to play”. CCH transfers not in the pecking order are making an impact at other schools, yet guys who have been playing together in the same program have to “gel” simply because they are now playing varsity.

    Sounds similar to the college team an hour south, other then the defense. Maybe the basketball talent is a bit over stated. Lots of athletic physical specimens who arent the best shooters. They’ll win games even against good teams with their defense and athleticism, but I’d guess they’ll see most teams slow it down and zone them and cause fits for the offense. Hard to zone them last year with Aiden and CJ.
    Shooting and passing has been a bit messy, for sure. But talent or not, are you saying that the claim that a team in their first few games still needs time to gel is a cop out? Does that mean, similarly, that all the statements in January and February about teams "heating up at the right time for regions and the Sweet 16" are nothing but cop outs?

    This is high school sports. These aren't professional athletes. Hell, I've seen high school athletes have a bad day because their girlfriend was mad at them or because they blew a test in school. Is it that hard to believe that a team needs time to gel?

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