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    I think there are some good refs and some bad refs at all levels. Some crews at absolutely terrible.

    Most of the time they miss a few calls and make a few calls but are pretty average.

    Occasionally, there's just a really good crew. I haven't found one yet, but I assume that's the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsaholic Mamaw View Post
    Enforce the block charge rule or don't, I don't care. Just make sure it's called the same on both ends of the floor.
    No two collisions are the same so the above doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentuckywildcat#1 View Post
    Is this addressed at my comment? If so, please explain.
    What is there to explain? Article is about the scrutiny refs are under, your reply only served as an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atm10 View Post
    What is there to explain? Article is about the scrutiny refs are under, your reply only served as an example.
    The article was about that and the opinion of the author that officiating is no worse now than it used to be. He’s wrong about officiating on the college level. It’s much worse on the college level

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    The game has gotten so much faster at the high school level, which has caused regions to go to three man crews. Instead of two decent refs, a lot of times they will pair a bad ref with a decent crew or two bad refs with a good ref. Then, you have one ref having to overcompensate because a bad ref won't make the calls they should. It's one reason why the crews at region tournaments are better because the bad refs have been weeded out.

    The KHSAA has taken a huge hit in good refs in recent years because of the number opting to go the college route. They just haven't been able to replace them at the rate they are leaving.

    Another factor is simple. The younger generation just isn't taking an interest in becoming sports refs/umpires/officials like they did 20-25 years ago. A lot of new refs I see are in the 30-50 age group.

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    A bigger issue is the average fan not know what they are talking about because they have never read a rule book The charge/block is a perfect example (see also, over and back, ball on top of the backboard, "traveling" on the inbound pass, "over the back", etc, etc). Sitting at a high school game and listening to what the fans are yelling tells me that they usually don't even know what they are arguing.

    As far as officials at the high school level, it's an issue of numbers as The Scribe said. I would rather see 2-man crews during the season and 3-man during post-season. I know an argument would be made that they need to practice the 3-man during the season but the rotations are not that hard, they should be able to figure it out.

    In college, there is no reasonable explanation as to why there would be a considerable drop off in the level of officiating. Fact is that the game is faster and harder to officiate. You have bigger, faster, and stronger players with more contact. The "look at me" factor is probably the biggest one here (see TV Teddy).

    Bottom line, what everyone wants at every level is consistency but that is a difficult thing to do. If you've ever officiated even a youth league game, you know that it's not easy.

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    The nba is officiated beautifully. There is no reason why major college basketball can’t be the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    People do realize this is probably the most difficult call to make in basketball, right?
    I would disagree, it doesn’t happen often enough, TRAVELING is by far the most missed call at ANY level!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16thBBall Fan View Post
    I would disagree, it doesn’t happen often enough, TRAVELING is by far the most missed call at ANY level!!!
    It's not difficult to call, it's just not called. They allow too much, yes, but it's not missed or difficult to call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfTroy View Post
    It's not difficult to call, it's just not called. They allow too much, yes, but it's not missed or difficult to call.
    What’s the rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfTroy View Post
    A bigger issue is the average fan not know what they are talking about because they have never read a rule book The charge/block is a perfect example (see also, over and back, ball on top of the backboard, "traveling" on the inbound pass, "over the back", etc, etc). Sitting at a high school game and listening to what the fans are yelling tells me that they usually don't even know what they are arguing.

    As far as officials at the high school level, it's an issue of numbers as The Scribe said. I would rather see 2-man crews during the season and 3-man during post-season. I know an argument would be made that they need to practice the 3-man during the season but the rotations are not that hard, they should be able to figure it out.

    In college, there is no reasonable explanation as to why there would be a considerable drop off in the level of officiating. Fact is that the game is faster and harder to officiate. You have bigger, faster, and stronger players with more contact. The "look at me" factor is probably the biggest one here (see TV Teddy).

    Bottom line, what everyone wants at every level is consistency but that is a difficult thing to do. If you've ever officiated even a youth league game, you know that it's not easy.
    Maybe we should have a thread about the knowledge of the average fan....

    After broadcasting HS basketball in KY for 38 years, I've wondered about this a lot. I listen to the fans in the stands all the time, and the general lack of knowledge about the rules is amazing. (Or maybe it's just that the loudest fans are all struggling with the rules... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelMike View Post
    Maybe we should have a thread about the knowledge of the average fan....

    After broadcasting HS basketball in KY for 38 years, I've wondered about this a lot. I listen to the fans in the stands all the time, and the general lack of knowledge about the rules is amazing. (Or maybe it's just that the loudest fans are all struggling with the rules... )

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    These two things seem to correlate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atm10 View Post
    What’s the rule?
    Not sure what you're asking. It's not a difficult rule. To be more specific, I was referring to the extra step on the catch on the perimeter and/or stepping into a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfTroy View Post
    Not sure what you're asking. It's not a difficult rule. To be more specific, I was referring to the extra step on the catch on the perimeter and/or stepping into a shot.
    Im asking what the rule is for traveling? Not your opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by atm10 View Post
    Im asking what the rule is for traveling? Not your opinion
    If you don't know, look it up. If you do, I'm referring to the part about the pivot foot.

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