Another it is time for classified basketball thread...

Originally Posted by rojas4

The Boy's Sweet 16 pays all the bills and salaries for the KHSAA.

Sounds like a great reason FOR classed basketball!!

University Heights, Paintsville, and a 2A Lexington Catholic all had runs in the 90's in the Sweet Sixteen. Clay County was in 3 of 4 state title games in the late 80's as a 2 or 3A school. Paintsville had J.R. Vanhoose and Todd Tackett, Catholic had Shawn Fields and David Graves, Clay Co. had a guy named Richie Farmer. Non 4A schools have historically had success in the Sweet Sixteen.

ANY team can make a run in the Sweet Sixteen if they have a star or two, a few solid role players, and a little luck no matter the class.

Thread after thread after thread on the same subject and the results are always the same.

Originally Posted by Statmaster

It's time for classing.

There's 49 other states that class, anyone that doesn't like the current system is free to pull up the tent stakes and water your championship down to death. It's a free country. I root for the under-dog every year down state. You win some, you lose some....life goes on.

Originally Posted by Son of Bear

University Heights, Paintsville, and a 2A Lexington Catholic all had runs in the 90's in the Sweet Sixteen. Clay County was in 3 of 4 state title games in the late 80's as a 2 or 3A school. Paintsville had J.R. Vanhoose and Todd Tackett, Catholic had Shawn Fields and David Graves, Clay Co. had a guy named Richie Farmer. Non 4A schools have historically had success in the Sweet Sixteen.

ANY team can make a run in the Sweet Sixteen if they have a star or two, a few solid role players, and a little luck no matter the class.

Basketball is a sport where you can compete with "THE BIG MONSTER SCHOOLS" with good coaching and dedicating yourself.

Originally Posted by hopper24

Basketball is a sport where you can compete with "THE BIG MONSTER SCHOOLS" with good coaching and dedicating yourself.

Really? Name a class 1A or 2A school that does this every year? Name one that advances to the Sweet 16 more than three times every 12 years. Dedicating yourself and hard work does not play a big factor in a small school being able to compete year after year and making more than one trip to Rupp every 10-15 or 20 years.

Originally Posted by The Scribe

After seeing the same dozen large schools dominate the finals, that may be a good thing.

LBBC made a good point. If you go to four classes, the number of kids who can say they were a state champion in Kentucky goes from 0.5% to 1.5%. It's not like everyone is getting a trophy.

I'm like westsider and think two classes is enough.

But how long will it take for the losing schools to complain about having only two divisions? You already have complaining about some schools being too big to play in the All "A" Classic......

Originally Posted by The Scribe

Really? Name a class 1A or 2A school that does this every year? Name one that advances to the Sweet 16 more than three times every 12 years. Dedicating yourself and hard work does not play a big factor in a small school being able to compete year after year and making more than one trip to Rupp every 10-15 or 20 years.

OK then just go ahead and give every kid in the state of KY that plays basketball a ring and tell them how great they are. Then I guess they will be prepared for the real world after high school. Does any one single "big" school dominate this tourney every year? I think what Warren Central has done the past 6 years is very impressive and they have "1 possibly 2 championships in that time". The fact of the matter is YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THE COMMONWEALTH'S "SWEET SIXTEEN".

If you class basketball with a correct cutoff line, the All-A will cease to exist and the arguement will be moot.

Originally Posted by The Scribe

Really? Name a class 1A or 2A school that does this every year? Name one that advances to the Sweet 16 more than three times every 12 years. Dedicating yourself and hard work does not play a big factor in a small school being able to compete year after year and making more than one trip to Rupp every 10-15 or 20 years.

Hey 3 years out of 12 aint bad.

Originally Posted by The Scribe

If you class basketball with a correct cutoff line, the All-A will cease to exist and the arguement will be moot.

And what is that magic number? Come on tell me, so the fans of the schools that are above your magic number can start to complain, or the smallest schools claiming you let too many large school in and now we still don't have a chance. Come on what, is that magic enrollment number that will make everybody happy?

Originally Posted by hopper24

OK then just go ahead and give every kid in the state of KY that plays basketball a ring and tell them how great they are. Then I guess they will be prepared for the real world after high school. Does any one single "big" school dominate this tourney every year? I think what Warren Central has done the past 6 years is very impressive and they have "1 possibly 2 championships in that time". The fact of the matter is YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THE COMMONWEALTH'S "SWEET SIXTEEN".

Since you feel that way about preparing for the real world, let's do away with classes there also.

Let's do away with tax brackets and tax everyone the same, regardless of income.

Let's do away with minimum wage. No need to class jobs. Pay everyone the same.

Let's also do away with education funding based on school size. Every school in the state, regardless of size, should get the same amount from Frankfort -- no exceptions.

Enact any of the above and ask yourself if it's fair. Then you understand the plights of the Jenkins, Webster Countys, Silver Groves, and Cumberland Countys have to endure come Oct. 15.

I think's safe to say young adults are already moving into a "classed society" and whether or not 15 more kids and a coach get to call themselves a champion won't change this.

Originally Posted by rojas4

Hey 3 years out of 12 aint bad.

Agreed and I'll add that the small schools will take those three chances to take out the big schools. In fact they would trade their assistant coaches and most likely throw in their principal too for that chance!

Originally Posted by Theoldguy

And what is that magic number? Come on tell me, so the fans of the schools that are above your magic number can start to complain, or the smallest schools claiming you let too many large school in and now we still don't have a chance. Come on what, is that magic enrollment number that will make everybody happy?

Without spending a million dollars on a study and using football data, make the cutoff point 750 students in grades 9-12.

Originally Posted by addout

Agreed and I'll add that the small schools will take those three chances to take out the big schools. In fact they would trade their assistant coaches and most likely throw in their principal too for that chance!

No they won't. No the ones I've spoken to, which at last count is nearly three dozen. Corbin has tasted some success in the 13th Region, which only has three large schools. If Corbin played in the 8th District, the 4th District or the 14th District, I think they would be singing a different tune.

Originally Posted by The Scribe

Without spending a million dollars on a study and using football data, make the cutoff point 750 students in grades 9-12.

Okay 750 boys, or a combined enrollment of 750? My guess you are talking about combined enrollment? Then do you really think that the St. Henrys, Cov Holy Cross, NewCath won't win the Ninth year and year out, against Ludlow, Beechwood, Dayton etc, as all of the three that I mentioned have well under 750.

It would be extremely helpful in this debate if someone could get some information on about how many schools there are if you went to 2 classes with 800 being the cutoff?

And having 3 classes with a cutoff along the lines of 500 and under, 1000 to 501, and over 1000.

And having 4 classes with 400 and under, 800 to 401, 801 to 1200 and over 1200.

When people say 4 classes is too much, why? Do we know how deep that makes the breakdown?

In the prop 20 vote, I seem to recall somewhere around 280 schools being mentioned. 4 divisions would I assume breakdown somewhere around 70 schools in each class. That might be too much of a breakdown.

Not sure 2 is enough as there is a big difference from a school of 200 and a school of 800.

Three classes might be a nice compromise.

Originally Posted by Theoldguy

Okay 750 boys, or a combined enrollment of 750? My guess you are talking about combined enrollment? Then do you really think that the St. Henrys, Cov Holy Cross, NewCath won't win the Ninth year and year out, against Ludlow, Beechwood, Dayton etc, as all of the three that I mentioned have well under 750.

The last five schools under 750 to actually win the 9th Region title.

2003 - St. Henry
1999 - NCC
1994 - Holy Cross
1991 - Holy Cross
1984 - NCC

I see your point, but there's a good chance another school could have won had they played head to head instead of playing in districts that favor Holmes, Highlands, CovCath, Ryle, and Conner.

Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach

It would be extremely helpful in this debate if someone could get some information on about how many schools there are if you went to 2 classes with 800 being the cutoff?

And having 3 classes with a cutoff along the lines of 500 and under, 1000 to 501, and over 1000.

And having 4 classes with 400 and under, 800 to 401, 801 to 1200 and over 1200.

When people say 4 classes is too much, why? Do we know how deep that makes the breakdown?

In the prop 20 vote, I seem to recall somewhere around 280 schools being mentioned. 4 divisions would I assume breakdown somewhere around 70 schools in each class. That might be too much of a breakdown.

Not sure 2 is enough as there is a big difference from a school of 200 and a school of 800.

Three classes might be a nice compromise.

But what happened in Football? How many divisons at one time did we have and now we have six to make it fair for everybody....... You are not going to make everybody happy, no way, not in a million years......

Originally Posted by The Scribe

Since you feel that way about preparing for the real world, let's do away with classes there also.

Let's do away with tax brackets and tax everyone the same, regardless of income.

Let's do away with minimum wage. No need to class jobs. Pay everyone the same.

Let's also do away with education funding based on school size. Every school in the state, regardless of size, should get the same amount from Frankfort -- no exceptions.

Enact any of the above and ask yourself if it's fair. Then you understand the plights of the Jenkins, Webster Countys, Silver Groves, and Cumberland Countys have to endure come Oct. 15.

I think's safe to say young adults are already moving into a "classed society" and whether or not 15 more kids and a coach get to call themselves a champion won't change this.

I'll stick to basketball. I see the "plight" of Elliot co. this year and they actually won a game in the process. With all there youth I don't think we have seen the last of them. I think it's safe to say they beat bigger schools to get where they got. You still will not change the SWEET SIXTEEN.:sleep: