Luke Maile drafted by the Boston Red Sox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    To save face...this whole process didn't go as they'd hoped it would go from the start. They truly believed he was a top round pick...and ended up being a 43rd round pick. On top of that, if the offer was right, Luke would have gone. He wanted to sign. He was offered 150,000 to 300,000 which is a 3rd to 6th (which I doubt. I could see maybe 15 to 20, not 3rd to 6th.) So you're telling me he was offered that much, knowing in the end his school would be paid for anyways if it didn't work out...why not give it a shot? He wanted to sign. I don't think they outright lied, I think they maybe offered some decent money, but I think it was a little prettied up for the public.

    *Just offering an answer to your question, not saying this is for sure fact.

    For being drafted in the 43rd round and then being offered 300k when majority of the 43rd round gets maybe 1 to 5 k why wouldn't you take it?

    IMO, like Oscar has said they truly believed he was a legit top 5 round pick. This IMO is why the whole process didn't go as planned. He may have dropped in the draft due to asking for way too much money but in doing that it got him no where. And i really do believe he was set on skipping on college because I don't think they would have been negotiating this long for his father to tell the papers the day before the deadline there is no contract and he will be attending UK.
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    SoxProspects.com

    Click on the above link and make sure you read the last sentence in the article.

    "If the Sox's were to make one of those last-minute, life-changing bonus offers, the most likely recipients would be Kline, Tart, or Maile.

    Think about this if you would:

    I truly believe I will get to see Luke with a MLB uniform on one day, but playing for UK in the SEC while getting a great college education, sure is a lot better than playing for some rookie league team in the middle of no where for two to three years!

    Luckily, Luke is an above average student, who will be successful in life whether he makes it to the MLB or not and getting that college education will only serve him better in life.

    Nice to have choices, as many young men or for that matter older men, have never had choices.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoldguy View Post
    SoxProspects.com

    Click on the above link and make sure you read the last sentence in the article.

    "If the Sox's were to make one of those last-minute, life-changing bonus offers, the most likely recipients would be Kline, Tart, or Maile.

    Think about this if you would:

    I truly believe I will get to see Luke with a MLB uniform on one day, but playing for UK in the SEC while getting a great college education, sure is a lot better than playing for some rookie league team in the middle of no where for two to three years!

    Luckily, Luke is an above average student, who will be successful in life whether he makes it to the MLB or not and getting that college education will only serve him better in life.

    Nice to have choices, as many young men or for that matter older men, have never had choices.


    I appreciate that info. I went to the website (by the way, thanks for having the link). This is objective, third party source and that is the point I was trying to make.

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    Just so you are aware, even the top draft picks spend time in "rookie ball in the middle of nowhere." But I do agree that it MAY not be for 2 or 3 years and playing SEC ball is a going to be just as competitive, if not, more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goallout25 View Post
    Just so you are aware, even the top draft picks spend time in "rookie ball in the middle of nowhere." But I do agree that it MAY not be for 2 or 3 years and playing SEC ball is a going to be just as competitive, if not, more so.
    Oh, I am aware....

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    Legacy23, in my year or so on BGP, I don't think I have ever seen a person be so consistently off base on any thread as you have been in this one. But it is clear here that you give no consideration to facts that obviously refute your opinion and you can not be objective on this thread's topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cch5432 View Post
    1. I'm not basing any my opinions of the Cincinnati.com article- everything that I know was said to me by Luke (or his grandfather). They didn't pretty anything up for the public, unless they prettied it up to me as well.

    2. I can assure you that they knew how the process worked from the beginning. They knew the fact that he was asking for so much would make his draft selection drop, and they continued asking for that same amount of money. The plan was always to go to college unless he was offered what he oringinally asked for, and no one was willing to give it (yet). The standard process is MLB players select these guys, watch and negotiate all summer, and then at the deadline (August 17th) offer a fraction of what the players have been asking for, and the player will normally desperately accept. There was none of this wavering from Luke (before the draft or during the summer). Since Luke wasn't wavering, and he had already committed to school, his draft position tumbled. However, it is clear that despite his draft position, MLB teams know his talent level- closer to the 1st round then the 43rd. In 3 or 4 years, Luke will come out with a degree and teams coming after him much, much sooner.
    I was not basing my opinions or what I know off of that article or what I read on here at all. I wouldn't say any of what I said if I didn't know them. This is why I know the process did not go the way they wanted it to from the get go. Luke wanted to sign. Offered a 3rd to 6th round picks money, he'd have gone. If he honestly said "I'll only go for 1st or 2nd round money, so don't offer me 300,000 or less" then he'd have never been in negotiations this long and made it known to many around that he wanted to sign, cause there was no chance in that happening.

    Obviously the Sox, if they were willing to deal out some money, would go after one of the three guys they mentioned in their report. They chose them for a reason and I can totally buy that he may have been more a 20th round pick, but since it was known blah blah he went 43rd. But he wasn't a top round pick talent, or they'd have been willing to offer the money he wanted...alas there is no offer.

    I don't think it matters. I think he'll be better off at UK, and if baseball doesn't pan out for him he'll have an amazing experience and a degree to boot. But if indeed he turned down 3rd to 6th round money, then he has a whole lot riding on his college career, because he is betting that he is really a 1st or 2nd round pick...and who knows what can happen between now and 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homerun View Post
    First of all, I wish Luke Maile the best. I went and read the article on Cincinnati.com. The reporter, Ryan Ernst, was comfortable in quoting the source of the information as Mr. Maile; yet the only source for the information was Mr. Maile. Did the Boston Red Sox publish a figure that was offered? I would think that the figure would be only posted if a contract was signed. I am not saying that Mr. Maile, whom I have never met, lied. What I am saying, is that the reporter quoted his source as one individual, not a published dollar amount of a contract.

    Legacy23 was put down pretty fiercely. He was in the minority in his opinion. I am not saying that Legacy23 was right. I am just trying to present the facts. Quoting one individual regarding confidential negotiations is different than disclosing a public record of a legal document.
    It was exactly what was posted here on BGP. Me thinks Ryan Ernst is lurking around BGP.

    Not a bad place to get your information, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Legacy23, in my year or so on BGP, I don't think I have ever seen a person be so consistently off base on any thread as you have been in this one. But it is clear here that you give no consideration to facts that obviously refute your opinion and you can not be objective on this thread's topic.
    Ok Voice of Reason to sum up what I think....

    I was not basing my opinions or what I know off of that article or what I read on here at all. I wouldn't say any of what I said if I didn't know them. This is why I know the process did not go the way they wanted it to from the get go. Luke wanted to sign. Offered a 3rd to 6th round picks money, he'd have gone. If he honestly said "I'll only go for 1st or 2nd round money, so don't offer me 300,000 or less" then he'd have never been in negotiations this long and made it known to many around that he wanted to sign, cause there was no chance in that happening.

    Obviously the Sox, if they were willing to deal out some money, would go after one of the three guys they mentioned in their report. They chose them for a reason and I can totally buy that he may have been more a 20th round pick, but since it was known blah blah he went 43rd. But he wasn't a top round pick talent, or they'd have been willing to offer the money he wanted...alas there is no offer.

    I don't think it matters. I think he'll be better off at UK, and if baseball doesn't pan out for him he'll have an amazing experience and a degree to boot. But if indeed he turned down 3rd to 6th round money, then he has a whole lot riding on his college career, because he is betting that he is really a 1st or 2nd round pick...and who knows what can happen between now and 2012.

    I agree with what he is saying![B] I first off said he was not a top 5 round pick more of a 20 round pick![/B] There was no offer nor any proof of him being a top 5 round pick. My last statement was based off what the article read saying he was worth 3rd to 6th round pick! I said also in an earlier post that I wouldn't be suprised if he was offered up to 100k maybe even 200k but there was no way he was getting 500k! You can read into the article what you want but when it comes down to it he wasn't offered a contract it's that simple!Plus IMO like Ocsar said Luke definately wanted to sign and I have a hard time believeing he was offered 300k and passed beacuse for being drafted in the 43rd round that's an unreal amount of cash!

    It stinks being wrong but sometimes it happens! I do give you credit by trying to find every flaw you can with everything I post. But in all reality he wasn't a top 5 round pick and he didn't get the money nor contract of a top 5 round pick! I told you on August 17th it wouldn't happen and sure enough it didn't. I knew he would end up at UK! I wish him the best and things will be very interesting in 3 years whne he reapplys!

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    Legacy, you're constantly manipulating you're previous posts. I'm not going back to look at all of your old posts on this subject as someone already did that and it's all a moot point now. Alot of people you're arguing with are more "in the know" on this subject and that's not a knock on you at all. You're assuredly more in the know on other topics. However, there's a few things that you just don't seem to want to agree with but are pretty much fact:

    1) The round in which Luke was drafted was more reflective of his signability than his talent.
    2) Luke had a number in mind that it would take him to forego college and he didn't get it. I'm still very confident in saying that he WAS offered $400k and that wasn't enough in Luke's mind. Nothing wrong with that, Luke's choice.
    3) The Maile's have nothing to gain by "lying" or "prettying" anything up for the public.
    4) If Luke were a late-round talent in the Sox eyes, it wouldn't have gone down to August 17th.

    Now, me being a selfish BatCats fan, I must say I am very happy with the end result. Good luck to Luke and the Maile family.

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