Page 2 of ...apologize for the killing of the 2 Americans INSIDE the American compound. The shooter was just allowed to walk out unscathed. After all our leader? apologized because some BOOKS were inadvertently burned. And while were at it where are the so-called mainstream Muslims condemning the rioting and killing over the book burning? Why aren't they showing their righteous indignation that the few(their assertion) radicals are giving their entire religion a bad name. Don't I remember the... 48 comments | 686 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    If a soldier accidentally burned a Bible would Mr. Obama issue and apology to American Christians?
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Why?
    Why would he apologize? Just want to make sure I understand what you are asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Why would he apologize? Just want to make sure I understand what you are asking.
    Correct. Why should he apologize? How is it similar ?

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    Because the Bible is as sacred to some of us as the Quran is to Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Because the Bible is as sacred to some of us as the Quran is to Muslims.
    You are looking for something thats not there. I trust that you realize that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    What would have happened had he not apologized?
    We'll never know will we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    You are looking for something thats not there. I trust that you realize that.
    So he shouldn't apologize if a Bible was burned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    So he shouldn't apologize if a Bible was burned?
    It shouldn't be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    It shouldn't be necessary.
    I would have agreed until now. Just curious as why you feel it shouldn't be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    I would have agreed until now. Just curious as why you feel it shouldn't be necessary.
    Who was offended? How does it hurt national interests? Does it have a potential impact on our soldiers? Are we worried that a right-wing Christian group is going to strike at us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Who was offended? How does it hurt national interests? Does it have a potential impact on our soldiers? Are we worried that a right-wing Christian group is going to strike at us?
    I think a great deal of Christians would be offended. With that said I don't think he gives a flip what offends Christians. Muslims on the other hand...........

    Your last 3 points are interesting. He apologized and 2 soldiers were murdered and Islamic groups continue to strike against us and our interest. By apologizing we showed weakness that these nut jobs see as blood in the water. All he did was justify their actions. At least in their minds.

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    I wish we would just get out of there and let Karzai fend for himself. No American life is worth saving any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    I think a great deal of Christians would be offended. .
    For accidentally burning a Bible? Hardly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    For accidentally burning a Bible? Hardly.
    So if they are not offended you shouldn't apologize?

    I just want to make sure I understand. You only apologize if the other person is offended, or I'd it's in your best interest or if you fear retaliation?

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    Wonder why the White House wont let us see the apology letter? I am sure it was written on tax payer paper and by a tax payer pen. (haha)

    The PJ Tatler Carney: Apology to Karzai ‘Not Appropriate’ for Reporters to See

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Who was offended? How does it hurt national interests? Does it have a potential impact on our soldiers? Are we worried that a right-wing Christian group is going to strike at us?
    So you apologize when we feel threatened? That is your national security policy?

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    I would like to know what he said in the apology.

    Did he apologize for himself or for America? If for America (me), I would like to know what he said for me, or what words he put in my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    So if they are not offended you shouldn't apologize?

    I just want to make sure I understand. You only apologize if the other person is offended, or I'd it's in your best interest or if you fear retaliation?
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    So you apologize when we feel threatened? That is your national security policy?
    The question posed asked about the need for the President to apologize if a Christian Bible was accidentally burned. We're not sacrificing men and women in a war against people who are for the Christian Bible. So, if it was an accident and Christians in the US realize that then why in the world are we trying to equate that to the burning of a sacred book to people who are trying to kill soldiers? I fail to grasp the connection.

    This apology was strategic in that it was aimed to prevent mass protests in the streets as to support a weak and struggling leader in Karzai. It worked. There are no mass protests because the apology was read by Karzai and a majority of the people who would have been offended it accepted it and moved on. Had there not been an apology the potential for mass protests and potentially a revolt against Karzai would certainly have damaged our cause.

    If you guys want to say that one death negates the value of the apology have at it. You're wrong but you're entitled to an opinion.

    When we have US citizens taking up arms and killing thousands of US soldiers then we can intelligently discuss the need for an apology over an accidental burning.

    You guys are just looking for something to complain about and this isn't it. Complain about the war in general. Complain that active military may be asked to pay more for their healthcare. Complain about unemployment.

    This just reeks of partisanship and a knee-jerk unthinking unintelligible cry.

    BTW, many military leaders with conservative leanings agree it was the right move.

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    Never mind. It's not worth it

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    So you tell us that our opinions are wrong and that's Gospel. Wow. Ego much?

    Let me try it. You think Obama is a good president. You're wrong but you're entitled to your opinion.

    You're right about 1 thing. This president is going to have to hit a bases empty grand slam home run for me to have anything good to say about him. I freely admit it. You're completely in the tank for him and yet you try to pass yourself off as unbiased.
    I am unbiased. The only thing I'm biased against is lack of critical thinking.

    Heck, I served up legit complaints about the President and yet you still call me biased.

    So let's get past the evaluations of each other and you address my points I made as to why the apology was acceptable.