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    The secret Islamic report called “the Project” (that was discovered during a police raid of a senior Muslim Brotherhood financier’s home in Switzerland), outlines and exact plan to infiltrate and destroy the U.S. from within:

    1. Network and coordinate actions between like-minded Islamists organizations;

    2. Avoid open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;

    3. Infiltrate and take over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;

    4. Use deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with Sharia law;

    5. Avoid social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;

    6. Conduct surveillance, obtain data, and establish collection and data storage capabilities;

    Muslim Brotherhood Project7. Put into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of international plots fomented against them;

    8. Cultivate an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;

    9. Develop a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;

    10. Balance international objectives with local flexibility;

    11. Build extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;

    12. Involve ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;

    13. Instrumentally use existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;

    14. Draft Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;

    15. Avoid conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution;

    16. Institute alliances with Western “progressive” organizations that share similar goals;

    17. Create autonomous “security forces” to protect Muslims in the West;

    18. Inflame violence and keep Muslims living in the West “in a Jihad frame of mind”;

    19. Support Jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;

    20. Make the Palestinian Issue a global wedge cause for Muslims;

    21. Adopt the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination;

    22. Instigate a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and reject any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;

    23. Actively create Jihad terror cells within Palestine;

    24. Link the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement;

    25. Collect sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support Jihad around the world.

    * After the 2001 discovery of The Project in Switzerland, the Muslim Brotherhood quickly employed the deception of Taqiyya to try to distance itself from the document. The strategies outlined above, however, continue to be implemented across the world, including in Europe, UK and America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain ref View Post
    the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood is, quote, ‘destroying Western civilization from within,’ by its own hands, basically. That’s a quote.”

    If the Dems do go with him, then they do have total disregard for America and the American culture. To put a person in this postion with ties to a group trying to destroy America and American Culture is just STUPID. He will be the anti christian leader.
    So all you so called Christian Democrats better not be wishing or supporting this person.


    Muslim Brotherhood-linked Congressman Keith Ellison announces run for DNC chair

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Come on, you know I know all about the Muslim Brotherhood. They are very dangerous.
    I would rather have El Chappo leading the Dems.

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    I haven't read every post in this thread.

    What's the link between Rep Ellison and the Muslim Brotherhood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain ref View Post
    the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood is, quote, ‘destroying Western civilization from within,’ by its own hands, basically. That’s a quote.”

    If the Dems do go with him, then they do have total disregard for America and the American culture. To put a person in this postion with ties to a group trying to destroy America and American Culture is just STUPID. He will be the anti christian leader.
    So all you so called Christian Democrats better not be wishing or supporting this person.


    Muslim Brotherhood-linked Congressman Keith Ellison announces run for DNC chair
    First, Mr. Ellison's political views would probably keep me from supporting him. But that said, here are the "Facts" as reported by Wiki on his bio:

    Campaign contributions from members of CAIR
    During the 2006 election Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and James Yee, the former Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo Bay, spoke at an August 25 fundraiser for Ellison.[100][106] Awad and Ellison knew each other as they attended the University of Minnesota Law School at the same time.[7][107] According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Ellison accepted individual contributions from Nihad Awad and another leader of CAIR[not specific enough to verify]; Ellison responded that he had fully disclosed all contributions and said that he had "nothing to hide".[108] Ellison stressed that he was supported by individuals, and that the non-profit organization itself did not endorse his candidacy.[109]

    His Republican opponent in the race, Alan Fine, criticized Ellison for accepting these contributions, saying that CAIR was "a group that Democrats say has deep ties to terrorism".[110] In response to Ellison's opponents, CAIR leaders Parvez Ahmed and Nihad Awad wrote "We are proud of our personal donations to Ellison's campaign" and derided any 'guilt by association' arguments.[111]

    "Guilt by Association" is common in discourse today. But the truth is he is no more guilty than Bannon is guilty of having loose Racists occasionally post near his name.

    Denunciation of the Nation of Islam
    During Ellison's 2006 campaign, Minnesota Republican operatives[100][103] raised questions about the articles and his involvement with the Nation of Islam. In response, Ellison wrote a letter to the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota & the Dakotas saying he had never been a member, and that his connections with the Nation of Islam were limited to an 18-month period during which he helped organize the Minnesota contingent at the 1995 Million Man March.

    In Ellison's letter, he denounced the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan, writing "I wrongly dismissed concerns that they [Farrakhan's remarks] were anti-Semitic. They were and are anti-Semitic and I should have come to that conclusion earlier than I did."[105] He explained his previous views, saying that he "did not adequately scrutinize the positions and statements of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, and Khalid Muhammed." He also stated, "any kind of discrimination and hate are wrong. This has always been my position". During the 2006 campaign, many prominent Jewish DFL activists supported Ellison, including fundraisers Samuel and Sylvia Kaplan, and State Representative Phyllis Kahn, who said it was "inconceivable that he could have ever been an anti-Semite."

    Interview with Glenn Beck
    On November 14, 2006, Glenn Beck of CNN Headline News[94] said to Ellison, "I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."

    Ellison replied that his constituents, "know that I have a deep love and affection for my country. There's no one who's more patriotic than I am, and so you know, I don't need to — need to prove my patriotic stripes."[95][96]

    When asked by Beck about his opinion on "Muslim extremists" Ellison replied, "They're criminals. But I think that people who commit criminal acts should be treated like criminals, regardless of their faith."[94] Ellison has also said, "Osama bin Laden no more represents Islam than Timothy McVeigh represented Christianity."

    Now there is plenty to dislike IMO about Mr. Ellison's career but some of the stuff that was mentioned at the start of this thread and that Mountain Ref quotes are off base, inaccurate, and propaganda.

    I do continue to find the humor in those that vilify one person for "guilt by association" but defend another they like who could be guilty of same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    So he says the Ds screwed up by considering a black Muslim because of the white voters and we're supposed to only talk about the Muslim aspect?

    We should not talk about the "black" part of the equation even though he finally said it would be a potential problem for white voters?

    That's what you call "spin?"
    Yes, it's spin.

    It seems you are attempting to pigeon hole him as a bigot or racist by the way he described Mr. Ellison.

    Go back and read through the posts. It's pretty evident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    I haven't read every post in this thread.

    What's the link between Rep Ellison and the Muslim Brotherhood?
    In 2006 there was a question about his campaign finances and it turned out to be someone he went to law school with. There was never a true official tie to the Muslim Brotherhood found with Ellison and his campaign finances were public information as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    So why is it a problem that he's black?
    Quote Originally Posted by Manitoudan View Post
    Who said it was a problem ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    You did. You said so in the thread title.
    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    It's obviously an issue in your mind or you wouldn't have mentioned it and then try to tie it to regaining white vote.

    Telling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Manitoudan View Post
    I never said it was a problem , I question the wisdom if the Dems want those white working class voters back. Americans tend to vote along racial lines according to available data .
    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    So it's not a problem for YOU but the white voters ?
    @capt278 Here are the posts. So tell me again where it's spin when

    A)the thread title included "black" along with "Muslim"
    B)He referenced it in #30 saying it may not be wise because voters vote along racial lines

    If one brings up black along with Muslim in the title (and later acknowledges that black is a factor) then how is that spin or pigeonholing?

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    Maybe I've missed it somewhere in this thread, but how is this different or worse than Bannon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    First, Mr. Ellison's political views would probably keep me from supporting him. But that said, here are the "Facts" as reported by Wiki on his bio:

    Campaign contributions from members of CAIR
    During the 2006 election Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and James Yee, the former Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo Bay, spoke at an August 25 fundraiser for Ellison.[100][106] Awad and Ellison knew each other as they attended the University of Minnesota Law School at the same time.[7][107] According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Ellison accepted individual contributions from Nihad Awad and another leader of CAIR[not specific enough to verify]; Ellison responded that he had fully disclosed all contributions and said that he had "nothing to hide".[108] Ellison stressed that he was supported by individuals, and that the non-profit organization itself did not endorse his candidacy.[109]

    His Republican opponent in the race, Alan Fine, criticized Ellison for accepting these contributions, saying that CAIR was "a group that Democrats say has deep ties to terrorism".[110] In response to Ellison's opponents, CAIR leaders Parvez Ahmed and Nihad Awad wrote "We are proud of our personal donations to Ellison's campaign" and derided any 'guilt by association' arguments.[111]

    "Guilt by Association" is common in discourse today. But the truth is he is no more guilty than Bannon is guilty of having loose Racists occasionally post near his name.

    Denunciation of the Nation of Islam
    During Ellison's 2006 campaign, Minnesota Republican operatives[100][103] raised questions about the articles and his involvement with the Nation of Islam. In response, Ellison wrote a letter to the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota & the Dakotas saying he had never been a member, and that his connections with the Nation of Islam were limited to an 18-month period during which he helped organize the Minnesota contingent at the 1995 Million Man March.

    In Ellison's letter, he denounced the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan, writing "I wrongly dismissed concerns that they [Farrakhan's remarks] were anti-Semitic. They were and are anti-Semitic and I should have come to that conclusion earlier than I did."[105] He explained his previous views, saying that he "did not adequately scrutinize the positions and statements of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, and Khalid Muhammed." He also stated, "any kind of discrimination and hate are wrong. This has always been my position". During the 2006 campaign, many prominent Jewish DFL activists supported Ellison, including fundraisers Samuel and Sylvia Kaplan, and State Representative Phyllis Kahn, who said it was "inconceivable that he could have ever been an anti-Semite."

    Interview with Glenn Beck
    On November 14, 2006, Glenn Beck of CNN Headline News[94] said to Ellison, "I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."

    Ellison replied that his constituents, "know that I have a deep love and affection for my country. There's no one who's more patriotic than I am, and so you know, I don't need to — need to prove my patriotic stripes."[95][96]

    When asked by Beck about his opinion on "Muslim extremists" Ellison replied, "They're criminals. But I think that people who commit criminal acts should be treated like criminals, regardless of their faith."[94] Ellison has also said, "Osama bin Laden no more represents Islam than Timothy McVeigh represented Christianity."

    Now there is plenty to dislike IMO about Mr. Ellison's career but some of the stuff that was mentioned at the start of this thread and that Mountain Ref quotes are off base, inaccurate, and propaganda.

    I do continue to find the humor in those that vilify one person for "guilt by association" but defend another they like who could be guilty of same.
    As do I. At the very least we have Ellison answering his critics and trying to denounce and distance himself from the questionable folks he has been linked to. Meanwhile Bannon is having dinner with Clayton Bigsby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    Maybe I've missed it somewhere in this thread, but how is this different or worse than Bannon?
    The answer to that is:

    Bannon is just an aide. Ellison would represent a whole party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    First, Mr. Ellison's political views would probably keep me from supporting him. But that said, here are the "Facts" as reported by Wiki on his bio:
    Now there is plenty to dislike IMO about Mr. Ellison's career but some of the stuff that was mentioned at the start of this thread and that Mountain Ref quotes are off base, inaccurate, and propaganda.

    I do continue to find the humor in those that vilify one person for "guilt by association" but defend another they like who could be guilty of same.
    a witness before a Senate panel about Islamic terrorism accused the two Muslim members of Congress of having attended an event organized by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The charge was leveled by Chris Gaubatz, a “national security consultant” who has moonlighted as an undercover agitator of Muslim groups that he accuses of being terrorist outfits, and it was directed at Reps. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and André Carson (D-Ind.). At the heart of his accusation is the attendance by those two members at a 2008 convention hosted by the Islamic Society of North America — a Muslim umbrella group, which Gaubatz claims is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood
    The witness, Chris Gaubatz, alleged that Reps. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and André Carson (D-IN) participated in a 2008 convention held by the Islamic Society of North America, which Gaubatz labeled as a "Muslim Brotherhood event."

    ISNA was created by members of the Muslim Brotherhood – a radical Egyptian
    movement that seeks to spread Shariah law globally – in the U.S. Many of those
    founders remain in leadership positions with ISNA.

    • It invites controversial speakers to its nationwide conferences, including some of
    the world famous Islamists and advocates of Jihad.
    • Speakers at ISNA conferences make radical statements, often in contradiction of
    ISNA’s cultivated public image.
    https://www.investigativeproject.org...s/misc/275.pdf


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    I dont jack about Bannon , If the guy is a racist , I'll not support him. I'll say it was a terrible choice for any position . I've never heard the name Bannon until approx 3 days ago. I dont follow or Beirbert or brightbeir or whatever the heck that site is he promotes , so dont ASSume I like this Brannon guy just because I havent denounced him yet . Start holding your breathe and exhale when I do ... JK .

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    And guilt by association ? - yeah that 18 month stay was just as drive by to see if he liked it .. or

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