Russian Lawyer: I did not have Clinton Information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer.Pride View Post
    Not like this POTUS. The right did not have this much passion regarding Bill Clinton. The left likes to focus on Trump's personal flaws, but it is his politics that threatens them.
    Hmmm.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom View Post
    I'm addressing only the current administration. I belive it's well established that the other party has done the same. I am focused only on what is occurring.by the current administration.
    That's convenient. What is wrong with getting dirt on your opponent?

    FWIW has there been anything tying President Trump to the Wikileaks information releases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer.Pride View Post
    Not like this POTUS. The right did not have this much passion regarding Bill Clinton. The left likes to focus on Trump's personal flaws, but it is his politics that threatens them.
    I'm not sure about that.

    Obama was bashed from about every angle possible from Birth to education to experience.

    Bush 2 was bashed for his grammatical errors and "word creation."

    Everyone in the office has been painted by "the other side" fiercely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer.Pride View Post
    Not like this POTUS. The right did not have this much passion regarding Bill Clinton. The left likes to focus on Trump's personal flaws, but it is his politics that threatens them.
    I have to disagree, The Republicans wanted to bury Clinton back then. He actually was impeached after all, for perjury I believe...and he was guilty. There just wasn't anyone on the left that would go along and vote to impeach him and he remained in office.

    The rhetoric from both sides has really ratcheted up since that time and the Clinton Investigation and Impeachment get us to where we are today...neither side willing to give an inch and compromise. We saw it during the Obama administration, the Bush Administration and we are seeing it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    I have to disagree, The Republicans wanted to bury Clinton back then. He actually was impeached after all, for perjury I believe...and he was guilty. There just wasn't anyone on the left that would go along and vote to impeach him and he remained in office.

    The rhetoric from both sides has really ratcheted up since that time and the Clinton Investigation and Impeachment get us to where we are today...neither side willing to give an inch and compromise. We saw it during the Obama administration, the Bush Administration and we are seeing it now.
    Excellent Post!

    For the record, Clinton was impeached. He was not convicted by the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    That's convenient. What is wrong with getting dirt on your opponent?
    Obtaining the information illegally for one (e.g. Watergate). Or entering into a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power to get access to their espionage might also be very wrong (if the most explosive possibility here turns out to be true).

    The narrative on this has shifted from "the Trump team had nothing to do with Russia!" to "so what if they did?!"

    But Stuart Stevens, who worked for the Bush campaigns and ran Romney's, made this comparison last night. In 2000, the Bush team's debate strategy was stolen and gifted to the Gore camp. The Gore camp turned it over to the FBI.

    Who are we becoming that we can't admit the (illegal, compromising) ends don't justify the means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    It's like watching "Jersey Shore" or something. Only scarier because these people on both sides of the aisles and in power are supposed to be our leaders and shapers.
    At this point, I just want to know which one is The Situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    Obtaining the information illegally for one (e.g. Watergate). Or entering into a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power to get access to their espionage might also be very wrong (if the most explosive possibility here turns out to be true).

    The narrative on this has shifted from "the Trump team had nothing to do with Russia!" to "so what if they did?!"

    But Stuart Stevens, who worked for the Bush campaigns and ran Romney's, made this comparison last night. In 2000, the Bush team's debate strategy was stolen and gifted to the Gore camp. The Gore camp turned it over to the FBI.

    Who are we becoming that we can't admit the (illegal, compromising) ends don't justify the means?
    Truth is stranger than fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    Obtaining the information illegally for one (e.g. Watergate). Or entering into a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power to get access to their espionage might also be very wrong (if the most explosive possibility here turns out to be true).

    The narrative on this has shifted from "the Trump team had nothing to do with Russia!" to "so what if they did?!"

    But Stuart Stevens, who worked for the Bush campaigns and ran Romney's, made this comparison last night. In 2000, the Bush team's debate strategy was stolen and gifted to the Gore camp. The Gore camp turned it over to the FBI.

    Who are we becoming that we can't admit the (illegal, compromising) ends don't justify the means?
    Would there need to be a quid pro quo for there to be a conspiracy?
    Would it be possible that a foreign country simply didn't like one of the candidates and chose to help their opponent without there being a conspiracy?

    It was widely thought that the magnanimous decision to turn over the debate prep video was made only after the video was viewed several times by those around the Gore campaign.

    I can agree that the ends don't always justify the means.
    Who are we becoming when we are more concerned about how our dirty laundry was exposed than what was actually exposed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer.Pride View Post
    Not like this POTUS. The right did not have this much passion regarding Bill Clinton. The left likes to focus on Trump's personal flaws, but it is his politics that threatens them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
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    In those days, we had journalists.

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    The US has meddled in other countries elections to the point of sending money and operatives to disrupt their free elections.. So,evidently, its not against the law...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    That's convenient. What is wrong with getting dirt on your opponent?

    FWIW has there been anything tying President Trump to the Wikileaks information releases?
    What is convenient is the about face of some of our posters who held former administrations to a standard they don't expect from our current administration. Some of our posters have made some significant statements with regard to their perception of the ethics of former adminitiations, and with no more evidence than any tying the current administration to alleged Russian relationships.

    Getting dirt on your opponent is one thing. But Russia is our collective adversary, and has a long history of subterfuge on the US. There's just a lot wrong with that scenario. It's definitely not run of the mill.

    Additionally, the more the administration changes their stories, the more I distrust them. They'd be better off picking one, and sticking with it, or just saying nothing. Then the onus is on the rest of the world to prove them wrong without a shadow of a doubt. As it is, they are casting long shadows on themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    I'm not sure about that.

    Obama was bashed from about every angle possible from Birth to education to experience.

    Bush 2 was bashed for his grammatical errors and "word creation."

    Everyone in the office has been painted by "the other side" fiercely.
    I agree, but the left has gone insane re: Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    I agree, but the left has gone insane re: Trump.
    Umm ... wrong.
    I think you meant that "Trump has went insane"

    The funny thing is ... for the first time in my life that I can remember ... there are republican politicians who agree.

    Obama is still bashed to high heaven ... and why? Because he represented something that wasn't seen before in the White House (just like Trump... but from different angles).

    Pretty funny ... but doesn't the email chain from Donald Trump Jr. talk about coming from the Russian government? How freaking arrogant can you be (because any moron could read that and at least entertain the thought that maybe, just maybe this administration is a sham).

    I love it ... the Right pulls this act that they have never trashed a president the way this current president has been treated ... freaking bull.

    I know .. Donald is a great businessman who can get 'merica back to where it once was! ... ha, ha ... how many times has his joke of an empire filed bankrupcy? ITS COMPANIES LIKE HIS THAT ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASON FOR HIGH TAXES! But ... I only work in that field ... so I probably have no clue what I am talking about.

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