Republican's "White" Problem

Originally Posted by mcpapa

I don't think it's necessarily a "white problem", at least not with this ticket.

I think it's more of a "white male ultra-rich disconnected with the general public Medicare vouchering Social Security privatizing fertilized egg humanizing offshore blind trust account having voter ID restricting middle-class marginalizing problem". At least, with this particular ticket.

But that's just me. I don't speak for everyone else, and I certainly can't even pretend to speak for blacks.

I will hazard a guess, though. Maybe a majority of blacks are fearful that things would be significantly worse under Republican-controlled executive and legislative branches.

Got anything that hasn't come from moveon.org?

Originally Posted by 75center

Got anything that hasn't come from moveon.org?

Not much of that is subjective.

Ultra Rich. Check.
Disconnected. Subjective but perception
Medicare vouchering - check
SSI privatization - Check for Ryan
Fertilized egg - no clue what that means
Offshore accounts - check
Voter ID restricting - subjective

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Never heard of him. Colin Powell has been the best bridge amongst blacks and republicans. When he abruptly left the Bush administration after Bush's first term and became an independent blacks all over America muttered these 8 words.....'see, I told you we couldn't trust them.'

Yeah don't let Condi Rice stand in the way...???..

The Hispanics I know are industious, hard working people that are generally anti-abortion. They too should be Republicans. (Everybody should be, but that is another story.)

If your Dad was born in Mexico and they(Hispanics) think you are against them, then at some point what do you do?

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Never heard of him. Colin Powell has been the best bridge amongst blacks and republicans. When he abruptly left the Bush administration after Bush's first term and became an independent blacks all over America muttered these 8 words.....'see, I told you we couldn't trust them.'

Not surprising.

Originally Posted by Clyde

Not much of that is subjective.

Ultra Rich. Check.
Disconnected. Subjective but perception
Medicare vouchering - check
SSI privatization - Check for Ryan
Fertilized egg - no clue what that means
Offshore accounts - check
Voter ID restricting - subjective

Ultra rich is also subjective. Obama is ultra rich to me. Biden and Ryan I'm not sure. Romney is not ultra rich to Bill Gates.

So half of the statment is subjective and could be a poster for a moveon.org ad.Obama is ultra rich to me. Biden and Ryan I don't know about.

Originally Posted by Jim Schue

Why? Because he got mad about being hung out to dry by the Bush administration on making the case for war, making him look like a fool on the WMD issue?

Because he is not a Conservative. Yes, he is an honorable person, but not a Conservative. Right or wrong, that is the reason. I like Powell, but does not mean I would vote for him.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Never heard of him. Colin Powell has been the best bridge amongst blacks and republicans. When he abruptly left the Bush administration after Bush's first term and became an independent blacks all over America muttered these 8 words.....'see, I told you we couldn't trust them.'

I am not sure what the "couldn't trust them" is about. Could not find something on this from searching around.

But that is what I thought. Since Powell there has been no acknowledged national black conservative voice. And obviously, Powell threw his support to Obama in 2008 and that makes conservatives mad so he has lost support on the conservative side.



Interesting interview here with Hannity in May.

Colin Powell on 'Hannity'

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

My vote for Obama had nothing to do with handouts or empty promises. George Bush gave me more handout money with his stimulus package than Obama did. My vote for Bush in 2004 had nothing to do with a handout George Bush gave me that I knew nothing about at the time.

Minorities vote democrat because democrats relate to them and woo in the vote. I've been voting since 1992 and I have never seen the republicans make a heartfelt or true attempt to woo the black vote. They don't even try.

Great Point! What sould the GOP do to woo the black vote? I am not trying to stir something here, I think this is a great point, what should they do? This might need it's own thread.

Some people mention Reagan had much to do with African Americans not identifying with the GOP. I was too young to remember, when did Reagan do (moreso than other Repubs) that resulted in African Americans having such a view.

I do not think the majority of Republicans in charge are racist, I just think the Democrats did the best in securing the minority votes years back and have been successful is making the Republicans look like a bunch of racists because of it.

I believe many minorities (particularly African Americans) felt with Obama in the White House it would greatly benefit them and get them more on equal footing... fair enough. The ironic thing is that under Obama the African American unemployment rate has gotten much worse. He has actually let that segment of the vote down in that respect, though he is no danger of losing that segment of the vote.

Originally Posted by bugatti

I do not think the majority of Republicans in charge are racist, I just think the Democrats did the best in securing the minority votes years back and have been successful is making the Republicans look like a bunch of racists because of it.

I believe many minorities (particularly African Americans) felt with Obama in the White House it would greatly benefit them and get them more on equal footing... fair enough. The ironic thing is that under Obama the African American unemployment rate has gotten much worse. He has actually let that segment of the vote down in that respect, though he is no danger of losing that segment of the vote.

I don't think anyone here has said Republicans are racists. What I said, for instance, was that they are generally unbelieving that race is a factor in society and often believe white people are the victims of racial discussions. Why would minorities, whose realities are entirely different and often defined by it, lend their support to a group of people unwilling to see things from their point of view, even if they have some political agreement elsewhere? This isn’t some sort of nefarious plot by the left; it’s fairly overt, as evidenced by the many debates here and the general rhetoric of party and ideological leaders.

Originally Posted by Habib

I don't think anyone here has said Republicans are racists. What I said, for instance, was that they are generally unbelieving that race is a factor in society and often believe white people are the victims of racial discussions. Why would minorities, whose realities are entirely different and often defined by it, lend their support to a group of people unwilling to see things from their point of view, even if they have some political agreement elsewhere? This isn’t some sort of nefarious plot by the left; it’s fairly overt, as evidenced by the many debates here and the general rhetoric of party and ideological leaders.

My bad, I was not talking about on BGP saying Republicans are racist. I am saying the higher politicians playing the race card. At least not dispelling the myth that Republicans are racist. Just like Republicans acting like Democrats do not care about Homeland Security.

Republican strategist said that this election is the last one where Rs will rely solely on the white vote.

Interesting read.


2012 or Never for GOP

It was interesting, not sure why strategy hasn't already changed...if it's going to change why wait?

Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad

It was interesting, not sure why strategy hasn't already changed...if it's going to change why wait?

I would first say it's difficult to enforce a universal strategy change across such a broad group. That's exacerbated when with groups like the Tea party who have emerged in opposition to top-down, elite direction. Second, and maybe more importantly, it's been a winning strategy, so it's hard to get people to come around to what are unpopular strategic changes in exchange for better long-term prospects. Only time will tell though.

Originally Posted by History

The Hispanics I know are industious, hard working people that are generally anti-abortion. They too should be Republicans. (Everybody should be, but that is another story.)

If your Dad was born in Mexico and they(Hispanics) think you are against them, then at some point what do you do?

For one, you could support the Dream Act or similar legislation.