Republican's "White" Problem

Originally Posted by 75center

What could they do that would convince blacks to vote for them?

I found an interesting article once that talked about how conservative many blacks are and that when presented with different policies often agreed with the Republican policy. Yet when presented with that same policy and it was identified with the Republicans they stated that they disagreed with it.

Well presented!

I am not in the position to be able to answer, but am interested in the reply of those that meet the criteria.

Originally Posted by Habib

Came here to say this. If you want to know why Republicans struggle with minority votes then take a look at any thread involving a minority issue and notice the political leanings of the posters sympathetic versus those unmoved or even defensive. For example, look at History's characterization of minorities in this thread as poor, lazy, and helpless versus the implication that white voters are hardworking and self-reliant.

Tell me where I said that, because I didn't. But that is how you interpreted it. I don't think minorities are lazy at all. Just the opposite. However, like all humans when offered something for nothing, they gravitate towards it.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Minorities vote democrat because democrats relate to them and woo in the vote. I've been voting since 1992 and I have never seen the republicans make a heartfelt or true attempt to woo the black vote. They don't even try.

There are policies that should appeal to certain blocks of black voters. Example school vouchers could be a vehicle to escape failing inner-city public schools. But what acknowledged black leader touts this or makes a case for the Republican or conservative oriented policies that may be beneficial? Mostly none. There are no acknowledged black conservative leaders whose primary focus in on the black segment as an entity. True? And this is a 'national level' statement.

Conservative blacks are targeted worse it seems than non-blacks - by the black leader themselves.

Former Obama Campaign co-leader Artur Lewis is now a throwing his support to Romney. Other than indicating he will campaign for Romney no other specific role has yet to be defined officially or otherwise for him as of now. Could he be a legitimate voice to the black community from the Romney camp?

Originally Posted by Habib

Came here to say this. If you want to know why Republicans struggle with minority votes then take a look at any thread involving a minority issue and notice the political leanings of the posters sympathetic versus those unmoved or even defensive. For example, look at History's characterization of minorities in this thread as poor, lazy, and helpless versus the implication that white voters are hardworking and self-reliant.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by History

Absolutely hilarious! Romney's dad was born in Mexico. Guess that is as hispanic as you can get. So the two presidential hopeful's both have fathers born outside the US.

As to the wealth baiting issue-I guess we are to be more concerned as to how Romney spends HIS money than how Obama spends OURS (taxpayers).

As long as minorities believe that the Democrats are doing them favors by providing handouts and empty promises, then they will continue to vote for them. Things must be great in the big cities.

The truth will come crashing down, and Romey, Ryan, Obama and Biden, along with the Clinton's and bush's will all be fine. In the immortal words of Earl R. Pitts "wake up America."

Originally Posted by History

Yep there is that perception, and it has been well crafted by the Democrats. Give them credit for that. Why the minorities follow them is easy-they make all the empty promises. People like Santa Claus. They just don't like the bills that come in January.

Originally Posted by History

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Tell me where I said that, because I didn't. But that is how you interpreted it. I don't think minorities are lazy at all. Just the opposite. However, like all humans when offered something for nothing, they gravitate towards it.

These are your own words. Habib is spot on.

Will someone please tell me the policies democrats enacted that have helped minorities? Not ones that were intended to, but the ones that have actually been helpful.

Originally Posted by marvel

Will someone please tell me the policies democrats enacted that have helped minorities? Not ones that were intended to, but the ones that have actually been helpful.

Voting rights act of 1965
1964 Civil Rights Act
Social Security
In 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 8802 which outlawed segregationist hiring policies by defense-related industries which held federal contracts. Roosevelt's signing of this order was a direct result of efforts by Black trade union leader, A. Philip Randolph.
JFK's Executive order 10925

There is a start for you

Originally Posted by marvel

Will someone please tell me the policies democrats enacted that have helped minorities? Not ones that were intended to, but the ones that have actually been helpful.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was pushed through by Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. This legislation is one of the most societal changing laws in US history. This bill led the African American vote to the Democrats and moved the south toward the Republican party. The irony is that although the bill is seen as the work of the Democrats, much of the opposition in passing it came from southern Democratic legislators.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was pushed through by Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. This legislation is one of the most societal changing laws in US history. This bill led the African American vote to the Democrats and moved the south toward the Republican party. The irony is that although the bill is seen as the work of the Democrats, much of the opposition in passing it came from southern Democratic legislators.

Many of whom switched to the GOP afterward.

Originally Posted by Jim Schue

Many of whom switched to the GOP afterward.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

You make it sound so bad.

Yeah it did sound pretty bad, guess it sounds like Donkey Show

Originally Posted by 75center

What could they do that would convince blacks to vote for them?

I found an interesting article once that talked about how conservative many blacks are and that when presented with different policies often agreed with the Republican policy. Yet when presented with that same policy and it was identified with the Republicans they stated that they disagreed with it.

Simple. Blacks could very well be the most homophobic people on this planet. Appeal to that. Blacks despise welfare more than this country will ever know. Appeal to that. Blacks are against gun control. Appeal to that. Your post is very true. Blacks do tend to mean conservative for the most part but when Romney, Palin, Ryan, Hannity, Limbaugh, Newt, George Jr and George Sr and the worship of Ronald Reagan are the lynchpins of the republican party it becomes really tough to jump on. Add in George Steele, Herman Cain and Jessie Watts as notable black republicans and the do nothing approach republicans take towards the black vote and you end up with a bunch of black democrats. Blacks will overlook homosexuality, welfare reform and gun control of the rallying cry is they don't care about us anyways.

I also think Ronald Reagan and his perception severed a lot of trust and ties amongst blacks and republicans.

Originally Posted by Bluegrasscard

There are policies that should appeal to certain blocks of black voters. Example school vouchers could be a vehicle to escape failing inner-city public schools. But what acknowledged black leader touts this or makes a case for the Republican or conservative oriented policies that may be beneficial? Mostly none. There are no acknowledged black conservative leaders whose primary focus in on the black segment as an entity. True? And this is a 'national level' statement.

Conservative blacks are targeted worse it seems than non-blacks - by the black leader themselves.

Former Obama Campaign co-leader Artur Lewis is now a throwing his support to Romney. Other than indicating he will campaign for Romney no other specific role has yet to be defined officially or otherwise for him as of now. Could he be a legitimate voice to the black community from the Romney camp?

Never heard of him. Colin Powell has been the best bridge amongst blacks and republicans. When he abruptly left the Bush administration after Bush's first term and became an independent blacks all over America muttered these 8 words.....'see, I told you we couldn't trust them.'

Originally Posted by acemona

Voting rights act of 1965
1964 Civil Rights Act
Social Security
In 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 8802 which outlawed segregationist hiring policies by defense-related industries which held federal contracts. Roosevelt's signing of this order was a direct result of efforts by Black trade union leader, A. Philip Randolph.
JFK's Executive order 10925

There is a start for you

I should of elaborated. Can we name some policies within the past two, maybe three decades? I don't want stuff from 70 years ago. I want to see how the policies in the last 20 years have helped minorities and poor people as promised. It seems to me that the vast majority of minority voters vote democrat but their predicament hasn't changed. Questions need to be asked. We still have a disproportional ratio when it comes to blacks in prison. A huge number is still in poverty. Minorities get the shaft in the economy right now with the highest unemployment rate. Black babies take up roughly a third of the ones aborted (minority women only account for 13-15% of the population). They tend to get the lowest quality of education. Lowest percentage rate going to college. These are scary numbers and not the ones that should accurately reflect a free society.


Minorities have been voting for democrats for the last 70 years. What's going on?

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Never heard of him. Colin Powell has been the best bridge amongst blacks and republicans. When he abruptly left the Bush administration after Bush's first term and became an independent blacks all over America muttered these 8 words.....'see, I told you we couldn't trust them.'

Many conservatives feel that way about Colin Powell.

Originally Posted by FarBeyondDriven

Many conservatives feel that way about Colin Powell.

Why? Because he got mad about being hung out to dry by the Bush administration on making the case for war, making him look like a fool on the WMD issue?

I don't think it's necessarily a "white problem", at least not with this ticket.

I think it's more of a "white male ultra-rich disconnected with the general public Medicare vouchering Social Security privatizing fertilized egg humanizing offshore blind trust account having voter ID restricting middle-class marginalizing problem". At least, with this particular ticket.

But that's just me. I don't speak for everyone else, and I certainly can't even pretend to speak for blacks.

I will hazard a guess, though. Maybe a majority of blacks are fearful that things would be significantly worse under Republican-controlled executive and legislative branches.

Interesting that this thread has steered towards the black population when most think the Hispanic population is where the Rs should be focusing.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Simple. Blacks could very well be the most homophobic people on this planet. Appeal to that. Blacks despise welfare more than this country will ever know. Appeal to that. Blacks are against gun control. Appeal to that. Your post is very true. Blacks do tend to mean conservative for the most part but when Romney, Palin, Ryan, Hannity, Limbaugh, Newt, George Jr and George Sr and the worship of Ronald Reagan are the lynchpins of the republican party it becomes really tough to jump on. Add in George Steele, Herman Cain and Jessie Watts as notable black republicans and the do nothing approach republicans take towards the black vote and you end up with a bunch of black democrats. Blacks will overlook homosexuality, welfare reform and gun control of the rallying cry is they don't care about us anyways.

I also think Ronald Reagan and his perception severed a lot of trust and ties amongst blacks and republicans.

Would be interested more in what Romney, Ryan, Bush Sr & Jr have done to make your list?

Originally Posted by FarBeyondDriven

Many conservatives feel that way about Colin Powell.

Which is really really ignorant of them. The man is honest.