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    Quote Originally Posted by spindoc View Post
    They're there to catch speeders. You know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom View Post
    What are the ratios of criminal on criminal homicides vs. Criminal on non-criminal in each state or non-criminal on non-criminal? What about city comparisons? Texas and California are very different. It's not just about the numbers.

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    If not numbers then what should be used for comparison?

    The main point of the author's specific analysis there was - more guns do not drive more gun homicides. So raw gun ownership volume is demonstrated to NOT be statistically tied to gun homicides.

    Gun homicide rates (normalized) are statistically much higher in metro areas of over 250,000 people. Poor, urban areas where gangs and drugs are much more impacted by gun violence that the rest of America.

    Look at Illinois as an example. In 2011 the state had 375 gun related homicides. 320 of these were in Chicago city limits. That 85% of the total. But Chicago population is only 21% of the state total. Talk about the 80/20 rule! And Illinois has the strictest gun laws in the Union.

    Guns themselves are not the problem - its who has them.



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    "Gun sales have risen dramatically in recent years, but the gun murder rate is dropping. The problem is NOT the number of guns. The problem is who has the guns. Criminals aren’t going to comply with gun regulations, so making gun ownership harder is only going to affect law-abiding citizens."

    As for mass shootings. They occur almost exclusively in 'gun free zones'. Sandy Hook, Aurora Colorado, Va. Tech, Killeen Tx., University of Texas, even the Arizona Gifford shooting - they specifically did not have armed security at the rally in that case.

    We do not want to towns to look like the wild west but when honest people are able protect themselves and those around them - at home or in public - criminals are far less emboldened. I am not a CCL holder. But I like having CCL holders around in public. The deterrent effect can be shown statistically and in worst case they can actively defend those around them - as in Portland recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    When the constitution was written I sincerely doubt they had the weaponry of 2013 in mind when they wrote it.
    When the Constitution was written they didn't have this board in mind or the internet....or cable tv......or the radio.

    So can we shut up the MSM who are feeding a bunch of garbage to the public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Then what is the point of having cops if we can arm ourselves better than the local police department? Why not just take care of ourselves and our families?
    The use of the police is very clear. Beyond catching traffic violation, they are there to investigate and catch criminals after they have committed crimes, to deter crime with their presence, and handle crowd control and hostage situations. They are never going to be in place to protect me or my family at the second I need one. I simply don't have them posted at my home, in my car, or with my family. I have to rely on that myself. As far as my post about being as well armed as they are, I feel that way because they are not armed with technology that shouldn't be afforded the public. They simply don't have the resources of the military. Yes, I should be able to have the same weapons that they use, and frankly I do. I would say many police officers would rather have some of the weapons I own than the ones they have been issued.

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    To drive my point home further about the violent world of Danville, KY, where 3 special trained ninjas will invade your home and dodge bullets like Vince Vaughn in Dodgeball, a cop was in a speed trap at 12:30am on a Saturday night. There's just so much to fear in Danville, Ky that I need AK-47s to fend off the criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBDV View Post
    When the Constitution was written they didn't have this board in mind or the internet....or cable tv......or the radio.

    So can we shut up the MSM who are feeding a bunch of garbage to the public?
    You can just ignore the MSM like I do. It's not hard. Change the channel and watch Family Guy and The Big Bang Theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    To drive my point home further about the violent world of Danville, KY, where 3 special trained ninjas will invade your home and dodge bullets like Vince Vaughn in Dodgeball, a cop was in a speed trap at 12:30am on a Saturday night. There's just so much to fear in Danville, Ky that I need AK-47s to fend off the criminals.
    You live in a community that has one of the highest police presence per citizen in the state. I lived there for a while myself. You seem very safe, but you have NO WAY of knowing what could happen to you at any time. Communities like Danville are always surprised when someone faces a violent crime. However, violent crime still happens in those type of communities all the time. Also, Danville does have an ever growing drug problem, just like the rest of the U.S. I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    And at that time there was a visible enemy still trying to take control of the country. I don't think we need to worry about Great Britain anymore.
    You shoud worry about your own government. They kill american citizens, detain them without trial, spys on us, asks google and verizon, whom comply, to hand over information about what we search and do, checks over our financial transactions, ect. Not saying they're gonna try and take us over and put us in camps but they certainly think they are my master as if they can override my natural rights -- which includes my right to properly and fairly defend myself against any entity. Gun laws disproportionately arrest black males and put them in jail for non-violent offenses. Simply pulling them over and realizing they have a handgun that is concealed. Same goes for the drug war. Nazi's did it to their citizens. There was however, some resistance. The ZOB, a group of zionists that totaled around 220 individuals equipped with no more than small arms and grenades. They killed over 300 hundred of them and held the Nazi's off for over a month. Imagine if Hitler had more resistance from the Jews if they weren't deprived from arms. You should realize its not about what time in history you are in -- but that governments have always traditionally turned on their citizens in some fashion or another. Black people were defenseless against the KKK thanks to government laws that prohibited from from owning and bearing firearms. Was Great Britain a worry for your ancestors just a few short years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marvel View Post
    You shoud worry about your own government. Gun laws disproportionately arrest black males and put them in jail for non-violent offenses. Simply pulling them over and realizing they have a handgun that is concealed. Same goes for the drug war. Nazi's did it to their citizens. There was however, some resistance. The ZOB, a group of zionists that totaled around 220 individuals equipped with no more than small arms and grenades. They killed over 300 hundred of them and held the Nazi's off for over a month. You should realize its not about what time in history you are in -- but that governments have always traditionally turned on their citizens in some fashion or another. Black people were defenseless against the KKK thanks to government laws that prohibited from from owning and bearing firearms. Was Great Britain a worry for your ancestors just a few short years ago?
    I'm more worried about the ever growing mindset of those against the government than the actual government.

    So you are saying you do believe in Ronald Reagan's war on blac...I mean war on drugs? Drug laws have done more to hurt the balck community than gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    When the constitution was written I sincerely doubt they had the weaponry of 2013 in mind when they wrote it.
    The basic technology is really no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    To drive my point home further about the violent world of Danville, KY, where 3 special trained ninjas will invade your home and dodge bullets like Vince Vaughn in Dodgeball, a cop was in a speed trap at 12:30am on a Saturday night. There's just so much to fear in Danville, Ky that I need AK-47s to fend off the criminals.
    Any idea what the standard range of police pistol training is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluegrasscard View Post
    The basic technology is really no different.
    Maybe but I can't help but believe that our forefathers who wrote this Amendment wouldn't be second guessing the meaning of the Amendment. Nothing in 1776 is like it is in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I'm more worried about the ever growing mindset of those against the government than the actual government.

    So you are saying you do believe in Ronald Reagan's war on blac...I mean war on drugs? Drug laws have done more to hurt the balck community than gun laws.
    Drug laws hurt the black community? I thought people using drugs hurt their community. Surely you would blame the hurt on those that use rather than the laws against the use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I'm more worried about the ever growing mindset of those against the government than the actual government.

    So you are saying you do believe in Ronald Reagan's war on blac...I mean war on drugs? Drug laws have done more to hurt the balck community than gun laws.
    And I am more worried about paranoid statists who think government will do no harm and comply with every law, no matter how perverted, when the entirety of information is in the palm of your hand and you can obviously google anything you need to know regarding past actions our government has taken and realize our government hasn't been the best at protecting liberty. You would serve the crown, for sure.

    Gun laws and drug laws hurt that community, drastically. I don't think it was RR's objective to destroy the black community but, it has. You are part of the problem seeing how you comply with these laws with no resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluegrasscard View Post
    Any idea what the standard range of police pistol training is?
    Uh....no.

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