Obama DOJ going after Gibson Guitars?

Originally Posted by acemona

Your post states that those have gone up as well. Up to 37,100 more than 1200 from last year.

And then there is this from your post:

If the trend continues, the Obama administration will have prosecuted more illegal immigrants for illegal re-entry in his first term than George W. Bush’s administration did in his two terms combined.

Right. This should make it clear to you that more are re-entering. Not a good thing.

Originally Posted by cammando

Obamas "increase" in border security is meaningless when they are ordered to observe but not intervene... The deported have no fear of re-entry..

Exactly.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Yeah, I am really confused now. It looks like RTS's facts support acemona's initial statement

Seeing as how that is all he said(that one sentence above in quotes) it does look like you guys are falling all over RTS when his facts reflect that one single sentence that acemona posted.

But he ignored the fact that more are re-entering. That's a felony.

Originally Posted by Run To State

But he ignored the fact that more are re-entering. That's a felony.

I get that part. I was speaking in regards to his initial post. His initial post is indeed factual and proven by your post. Your post addresses the re-entry part and that's fine but ace wasn't speaking on that part.

Originally Posted by Run To State

Right. This should make it clear to you that more are re-entering. Not a good thing.

In all reality what it tells me is that more are getting caught and sent back and then coming back again. It tells me we are catching the same people over and over again. Illegal entry is less because those that are coming in have already been deported at least once and keep coming back. Our borders will never truly be secure regardless of the president but since we have repeat felons re-entering the country over and over again Obama is going to have a better looking stat record than Bush. That is how I see it anyways.

Other than killing them on the way into the country illegally this trend will continue. The next president will have more illegal re-entries than Obama.

Originally Posted by cammando

Wrong, as usual..

In my head I hear John McLaughlin's voice saying that!

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

In all reality what it tells me is that more are getting caught and sent back and then coming back again. It tells me we are catching the same people over and over again. Illegal entry is less because those that are coming in have already been deported at least once and keep coming back. Our borders will never truly be secure regardless of the president but since we have repeat felons re-entering the country over and over again Obama is going to have a better looking stat record than Bush. That is how I see it anyways.

Other than killing them on the way into the country illegally this trend will continue. The next president will have more illegal re-entries than Obama.

Depends on if the reason we're catching more is because more overall are coming into the country illegally than in the past. Even at that, it does us zero good to catch them if they just keep coming back. Deportation should not have a revolving door, his administration needs to do better.

There has to be a better way than killing them. I feel the government isn't working hard enough on a solution.

Here is the thing that I find absurd about the guitar wood. Why is US Fish and Wildlife raiding Gibson? Why didn't US Customs declare the wood illegal upon entry into the country? Is this a left hand / right hand thing? To me, this is another of example of government waist and mismanagement.

Originally Posted by Run To State

Depends on if the reason we're catching more is because more overall are coming into the country illegally than in the past. Even at that, it does us zero good to catch them if they just keep coming back. Deportation should not have a revolving door, his administration needs to do better.

There has to be a better way than killing them. I feel the government isn't working hard enough on a solution.

Could be. I think execution is the only solution personally. I don't think any administration will ever be able to successfully tackle the problem otherwise. As long as the illegals have the 'if you don't succeed at first...try...try again' attitude they will keep on coming back. Sure it may be inhumane but how else can we seriously tackle the issue other than 1.) executing them or 2.) put them in prison for life...which taxpayers would still pay for.

Here is who Obamas DOJ should be after,,, http://standwitharizona.com/blog/201...p-deportation/

An interesting little tidbit, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz is a Republican donor and Chris Martin IV, the CEO of Gibson competitor, C.F. Martin and Company, is a long-time donor to Democrats. C.F. Martin uses the same Indian rosewood in its guitars and has experienced no federal raids. Hmmmm.

The Gibson Guitar saga gets steadily curiouser

If true, it sure makes Washington look Chicago style.

Originally Posted by Run To State

An interesting little tidbit, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz is a Republican donor and Chris Martin IV, the CEO of Gibson competitor, C.F. Martin and Company, is a long-time donor to Democrats. C.F. Martin uses the same Indian rosewood in its guitars and has experienced no federal raids. Hmmmm.

The Gibson Guitar saga gets steadily curiouser

If true, it sure makes Washington look Chicago style.

Is Obama channeling the ghost of Richard Nixon with his enemies list?

Originally Posted by Run To State

Right. This should make it clear to you that more are re-entering. Not a good thing.

But still, they're re-entering and then being caught and prosecuted for re-entering. I'm not sure how you can deny that from th article you posted. Frankly, if they're re-entering and being caught, it's the only way we have the statistics. How many under other administrations were deported and re-entered without being caught and prosecuted? It's impossible to know.

Originally Posted by Run To State

An interesting little tidbit, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz is a Republican donor and Chris Martin IV, the CEO of Gibson competitor, C.F. Martin and Company, is a long-time donor to Democrats. C.F. Martin uses the same Indian rosewood in its guitars and has experienced no federal raids. Hmmmm.

The Gibson Guitar saga gets steadily curiouser

If true, it sure makes Washington look Chicago style.

I'm not ready to buy that just yet. Juszkiewicz donated to Huckabee in 2007 and that's been the extent of his donating efforts. That's almost non-existent. There are literally thousands of more people and executives who are far more active and prolific donators whose companies haven't been hassled. If Martin's donating to Democrats (he donated to Obama and the DNC in 2008) is buying him protection, then why have Taylor guitars - Martin's biggest competitor and more substantial user of Indian rosewood - been left unscathed? Takamine guitars are more of a competitor than Gibson and are able to be easily shipped into the US. And those certainly aren't the only rosewood manufacturers. Unless there's a lot more information that hasn't come out, I don't see enough evidence to conclude Gibson guitars are being unnecessarily harassed because of a Huckabee donation four years ago.

I say to-may-to; you say to-mah-to.

Great thread.

Originally Posted by rockmom

But still, they're re-entering and then being caught and prosecuted for re-entering. I'm not sure how you can deny that from th article you posted. Frankly, if they're re-entering and being caught, it's the only way we have the statistics. How many under other administrations were deported and re-entered without being caught and prosecuted? It's impossible to know.

Again, depends on if the reason we're catching more is because more overall are coming into the country illegally than in the past. It could be a wash. Like I said, now or in the past, a revolving door does no good.

Originally Posted by Habib

I'm not ready to buy that just yet. Juszkiewicz donated to Huckabee in 2007 and that's been the extent of his donating efforts. That's almost non-existent. There are literally thousands of more people and executives who are far more active and prolific donators whose companies haven't been hassled. If Martin's donating to Democrats (he donated to Obama and the DNC in 2008) is buying him protection, then why have Taylor guitars - Martin's biggest competitor and more substantial user of Indian rosewood - been left unscathed? Takamine guitars are more of a competitor than Gibson and are able to be easily shipped into the US. And those certainly aren't the only rosewood manufacturers. Unless there's a lot more information that hasn't come out, I don't see enough evidence to conclude Gibson guitars are being unnecessarily harassed because of a Huckabee donation four years ago.

Is Taylor a Dem contributor? China is a much bigger offender than the US, 95% of the wood is going to China, but we're talking about US companies here. Takamine isn't an American company, is it?

Originally Posted by Bluto

In my head I hear John McLaughlin's voice saying that!

Nice old-school reference.

Originally Posted by Run To State

Is Taylor a Dem contributor? China is a much bigger offender than the US, 95% of the wood is going to China, but we're talking about US companies here. Takamine isn't an American company, is it?

It doesn't appear Taylor's executives donate to anyone. Takamine is Japanese. The WSJ article said that international movement of these guitars is tedious and difficult, but Takamine apparently does it regularly despite being a competitor to Martin.

Originally Posted by Habib

I'm not ready to buy that just yet. Juszkiewicz donated to Huckabee in 2007 and that's been the extent of his donating efforts. That's almost non-existent. There are literally thousands of more people and executives who are far more active and prolific donators whose companies haven't been hassled. If Martin's donating to Democrats (he donated to Obama and the DNC in 2008) is buying him protection, then why have Taylor guitars - Martin's biggest competitor and more substantial user of Indian rosewood - been left unscathed? Takamine guitars are more of a competitor than Gibson and are able to be easily shipped into the US. And those certainly aren't the only rosewood manufacturers. Unless there's a lot more information that hasn't come out, I don't see enough evidence to conclude Gibson guitars are being unnecessarily harassed because of a Huckabee donation four years ago.

I talked to my stepdad about this and he replied that the only way the Government gets his Takamine is to pry it from his cold, dead, hands...