Newt, Tingles and Fun With Racial Accusations

Originally Posted by Michael Corleone

Does that make sense? Absolutly! I feel your pain, I'm trapped in this old white body when all I really want to do is dunk a basketball.

You and me both brother. You and me both.

Originally Posted by Trinity alum

Yes, it is the same racial code that has been used for as long as I can remember. The key is to fan racial resentment while maintaning plausible deniabilty.

I see the Obama campaign doing everything to play the card. I also see people getting really tired of it. Time to put it back in the deck.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Usually it's only at the Christmas Dance when Tom Jones comes on.

Boy I loved those scenes!

Originally Posted by Run To State

I see the Obama campaign doing everything to play the card. I also see people getting really tired of it. Time to put it back in the deck.

It isn't "playing the card", it is pointing out what is happening. Let me be clear. I do not believe that Republican candidates fan the flames of racial resentment because they are more racist than Democrats. They fan the flames because they think it will work. I don't think that Republican governors and legislatures are trying to suppress the minority vote because they hate minorities. They do it because minorities give a very large percentage of their votes to Democrats. The Republican candidates aren't racists, they are cynics that are quite willing to exploit racial resentments for votes. Look at Paul Ryan's speach last night. What does it say about the Republican ticket when their best arguments for why the incumbant should be tossed out are all based on lies. Medicare, welfare to work, stimulus, the GM plant, all demonstrable lies. How cynical is it to knock the President for not implementing Simpson Bowles when you not only voted against it, you lead the fight to make sure that Simpson Bowles COULDN'T be implemented. Think back to what happened with Simpson Bowles. They came up with a bipartisan plan that would have made real progress. It was never submitted to Congress because the House Republicans on the commission, lead by Paul Ryan, blocked it. The thing that scares me about this election is that lies, repeated often enough are sometimes accepted as truth.

I really hope I live long enough to not have to see everything political chopped down to being related to race. Unfortunately, that won't happen until my parent's and grandparent's generations have all died off.

Originally Posted by Trinity alum

It isn't "playing the card", it is pointing out what is happening. Let me be clear. I do not believe that Republican candidates fan the flames of racial resentment because they are more racist than Democrats. They fan the flames because they think it will work. I don't think that Republican governors and legislatures are trying to suppress the minority vote because they hate minorities. They do it because minorities give a very large percentage of their votes to Democrats. The Republican candidates aren't racists, they are cynics that are quite willing to exploit racial resentments for votes. Look at Paul Ryan's speach last night. What does it say about the Republican ticket when their best arguments for why the incumbant should be tossed out are all based on lies. Medicare, welfare to work, stimulus, the GM plant, all demonstrable lies. How cynical is it to knock the President for not implementing Simpson Bowles when you not only voted against it, you lead the fight to make sure that Simpson Bowles COULDN'T be implemented. Think back to what happened with Simpson Bowles. They came up with a bipartisan plan that would have made real progress. It was never submitted to Congress because the House Republicans on the commission, lead by Paul Ryan, blocked it. The thing that scares me about this election is that lies, repeated often enough are sometimes accepted as truth.

That last sentence is right out of Joey's day planner .

Presidential election years really bring out how much we are polarized and blinded by our political views. We see faults in our opponents but either refuse to see the same thing in those who we support or find a way to justify it.

Originally Posted by Trinity alum

It isn't "playing the card", it is pointing out what is happening. Let me be clear. I do not believe that Republican candidates fan the flames of racial resentment because they are more racist than Democrats. They fan the flames because they think it will work. I don't think that Republican governors and legislatures are trying to suppress the minority vote because they hate minorities. They do it because minorities give a very large percentage of their votes to Democrats. The Republican candidates aren't racists, they are cynics that are quite willing to exploit racial resentments for votes. Look at Paul Ryan's speach last night. What does it say about the Republican ticket when their best arguments for why the incumbant should be tossed out are all based on lies. Medicare, welfare to work, stimulus, the GM plant, all demonstrable lies. How cynical is it to knock the President for not implementing Simpson Bowles when you not only voted against it, you lead the fight to make sure that Simpson Bowles COULDN'T be implemented. Think back to what happened with Simpson Bowles. They came up with a bipartisan plan that would have made real progress. It was never submitted to Congress because the House Republicans on the commission, lead by Paul Ryan, blocked it. The thing that scares me about this election is that lies, repeated often enough are sometimes accepted as truth.

The 3 House Republicans voted against but 4 Democrats voted against. How does that equal the house republicans blocking?

Originally Posted by woodsrider

The 3 House Republicans voted against but 4 Democrats voted against. How does that equal the house republicans blocking?

3 of 7 Republicans voted against it and 4 of 9 Democrats. Interesting, isn't it.

As TA said, "The thing that scares me about this election is that lies, repeated often enough are sometimes accepted as truth."

I agree.

Originally Posted by woodsrider

Do you have the percentages backwards or am I missing something?

I'm not a math guy so I may have said it wrong. I'm trying to to say that there are so many more white people in the USA than black people that from the naked eye it is hard to see that there are more whites than blacks on welfare. White people make up 78% of the population and blacks make up 13%. 39% of the those whites are on welfare. 37% of the blacks are on welfare. When looking at the total numbers of whites and blacks because there is a significantly less amount of blacks in America it will appear that more blacks are on welfare than white because a larger amount of the total black population is affected.

Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

I'm not a math guy so I may have said it wrong. I'm trying to to say that there are so many more white people in the USA than black people that from the naked eye it is hard to see that there are more whites than blacks on welfare. White people make up 78% of the population and blacks make up 13%. 39% of the those whites are on welfare. 37% of the blacks are on welfare. When looking at the total numbers of whites and blacks because there is a significantly less amount of blacks in America it will appear that more blacks are on welfare than white because a larger amount of the total black population is affected.

Does that make sense?

No, still doesn't. If 39% of whites are on welfare versus 37% of blacks then more whites, total number and percentage, are on welfare.

Assuming there are 300,000,000 people in the US
39% of 234,000,000 people = 91,260,000
37% of 39,000,000 people = 14,430,000

If the precentages were reversed and it was 39% of blacks versus 37% of whites then someone could say more blacks are on welfare then whites. That person would dumb and wrong but they could at least have the arguement that the percentage was higher.

Originally Posted by Trinity alum

It isn't "playing the card", it is pointing out what is happening. Let me be clear. I do not believe that Republican candidates fan the flames of racial resentment because they are more racist than Democrats. They fan the flames because they think it will work. I don't think that Republican governors and legislatures are trying to suppress the minority vote because they hate minorities. They do it because minorities give a very large percentage of their votes to Democrats. The Republican candidates aren't racists, they are cynics that are quite willing to exploit racial resentments for votes. Look at Paul Ryan's speach last night. What does it say about the Republican ticket when their best arguments for why the incumbant should be tossed out are all based on lies. Medicare, welfare to work, stimulus, the GM plant, all demonstrable lies. How cynical is it to knock the President for not implementing Simpson Bowles when you not only voted against it, you lead the fight to make sure that Simpson Bowles COULDN'T be implemented. Think back to what happened with Simpson Bowles. They came up with a bipartisan plan that would have made real progress. It was never submitted to Congress because the House Republicans on the commission, lead by Paul Ryan, blocked it. The thing that scares me about this election is that lies, repeated often enough are sometimes accepted as truth.

You do well pointing out the faults of the Republicans yet turn your head at the deplorable campaign Obama and the Democrats are running. Lies, myths, half truths, fear mongering. If you honestly believe what you say in your post, I can't see how you can vote for Romney or Obama, yet you already said you're voting for Obama. If you truly despise this sort of thing, I would think you'd vote third party.

Originally Posted by woodsrider

No, still doesn't. If 39% of whites are on welfare versus 37% of blacks then more whites, total number and percentage, are on welfare.

Assuming there are 300,000,000 people in the US
39% of 234,000,000 people = 91,260,000
37% of 39,000,000 people = 14,430,000

If the precentages were reversed and it was 39% of blacks versus 37% of whites then someone could say more blacks are on welfare then whites. That person would dumb and wrong but they could at least have the arguement that the percentage was higher.

Yeah, I'm not explaining what I am trying to say well. I am trying to say why it looks like there are more blacks on welfare than whites. Because there are so many white people in America compared to the number of blacks it is hard to see that there are more whites than blacks on welfare. With whites being 78% of the population there very well be more whites on welfare than the total number of blacks in America. Because 1 out of every 4 blacks you see are probably on welfare it's hard to tell. 1 out of every 4 whites isn't on welfare though. What is 37% of 234,000,000? 37% of 39,000,000 affects a larger proportion of the population than 37% of 234,000,000. That's why it looks like more blacks are on welfare than whites.

Originally Posted by Run To State

You do well pointing out the faults of the Republicans yet turn your head at the deplorable campaign Obama and the Democrats are running. Lies, myths, half truths, fear mongering. If you honestly believe what you say in your post, I can't see how you can vote for Romney or Obama, yet you already said you're voting for Obama. If you truly despise this sort of thing, I would think you'd vote third party.

First, I am not a fan of either campaign, but I am a strong supporter of what President Obama has done in office. That doesn't mean everything, but he has tried very hard to take us in the direction we need to go. If he is reelected one of two things will happen. Either the Republicans will drop the obstruction because they know that the country needs action, even if the action is not their first choice. If they stop the obstruction, the country will be better off. If Romney wins, either the Democrats will do the same thing to him and obstruct everything or they will cooperate as the country moves in what I strongly believe is the wrong direction. So no, I won't be voting third party. I will vote in what I believe is the best interest of the country. There is one thing that the Republicans have said that I agree with. The country is at a crossroad. I believe that the Ryan wing of the Republican party wants to return to the gilded age and undo over 100 years of social progress. They won't be able to do everything they want, but my guess is that they might just be able to undo the ACA and voucherize Medicare. They would undo environmental regulations, but that would only be temporary. The underlying laws would remain. They would gut spending on essential infrastructure, but that could be undone. They would make our long term fiscal outlook worse because they will get the tax cuts they want (no one ever lost an election by voting for a tax cut), but they won't get all of the spending cuts they want because the country won't hold still for it.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Yeah, I'm not explaining what I am trying to say well. I am trying to say why it looks like there are more blacks on welfare than whites. Because there are so many white people in America compared to the number of blacks it is hard to see that there are more whites than blacks on welfare. With whites being 78% of the population there very well be more whites on welfare than the total number of blacks in America. Because 1 out of every 4 blacks you see are probably on welfare it's hard to tell. 1 out of every 4 whites isn't on welfare though. What is 37% of 234,000,000? 37% of 39,000,000 affects a larger proportion of the population than 37% of 234,000,000. That's why it looks like more blacks are on welfare than whites.

37% is 37%. It's the same proportion. I think I know what you are trying to say but it would only make sense if the % of blacks on welfare were higher than the % of whites. It other words you could have 50% of the black population on welfare versus 25% of whites and there would still be more whites on welfare then blacks. But if you only looked at the % it would appear there are more blacks.

Originally Posted by 75center

Presidential election years really bring out how much we are polarized and blinded by our political views. We see faults in our opponents but either refuse to see the same thing in those who we support or find a way to justify it.

Right on, bro. Word. Mos def.





Dang, that sounds strange.

Originally Posted by 75center

3 of 7 Republicans voted against it and 4 of 9 Democrats. Interesting, isn't it.

As TA said, "The thing that scares me about this election is that lies, repeated often enough are sometimes accepted as truth."

I agree.

The numbers are accurate, but, once the Republican leadership of the House was against it, it was DOA. If it couldn't pass the House, it couldn't pass. After that people were voting to cover their posteriors. If Ryan had supported it, it would have passed. That is the truth of the matter. I won't put Baucus or the Democratic congressmen that voted against it up for a profile in courage. I don't think that the Presidents failure to push hard for it, even though it would have lost, was his finest hour, but make no mistake. Ryan cast the key vote on this one.

Originally Posted by Trinity alum

The numbers are accurate, but, once the Republican leadership of the House was against it, it was DOA. If it couldn't pass the House, it couldn't pass. After that people were voting to cover their posteriors. If Ryan had supported it, it would have passed. That is the truth of the matter. I won't put Baucus or the Democratic congressmen that voted against it up for a profile in courage. I don't think that the Presidents failure to push hard for it, even though it would have lost, was his finest hour, but make no mistake. Ryan cast the key vote on this one.

Nice spin on things, I would expect no less.

Originally Posted by mcpapa

Right on, bro. Word. Mos def.





Dang, that sounds strange.

Come over to the dark side Luke.