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    Generally, the longer a politician has been in office, the more accepting they are of the status quo and back room deal brokering rather than making the tough choices to help the country rather than a political party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcjkbt View Post
    I feel that the Dems in Kentucky (with Obama weighing them down) do not think he is vulnerable despite what polls may say. If they thought so, they would not be looking at Plan F at this point. No one wants to take him on.
    I would agree. I say Grimes (if she runs) odds of pulling off the upset are much less han 50%. Mitch is not as comfortable as he has been in past elections but he is still fairly comfortable. Like someone said, so long as Obama is president, Mitch has plenty of ammunition to throw at whoever his opponent it. The Democratic nominee HAS to find a way to distance himself from Obama while still being a democrat. Areas the nominee may want to approach are being (and having a track record of being) Pro Second Amendment and being able to state that he/she has never been for Obamacare or saying that Obamacare in its current form is flawed and Democrats and Republicans need to work together to come up with a better way to reach the original goals of Obamacare. That would give the Democratic nominee the view as being a Democrat but not aligned with Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFan View Post
    Generally, the longer a politician has been in office, the more accepting they are of the status quo and back room deal brokering rather than making the tough choices to help the country rather than a political party.
    The question is, where do you differerentiate between back room brokering and good compromise? KY's own Henry Clay was highly thought of for his ability to meet middle ground through compromise so each party was satisfied even though maybe not thrilled with the outcome and this compromise allowed for things to get done rather than obstructionist gridlock which is becoming quite common. The biggest problem I have with the Tea Party is their no compromise view. The Tea Party (stupidly in my opinion) seriously considered throwing a candidate against Mitch for the Republican nomination as retribution for Mitch's compromise he made with Obama on legislation to get it passed. I applauded Mitch on sucking it up and being willing to compromise with Obama on the legistlation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twotoplace View Post
    No. Mitch is beatable. Grimes' best bet to win (if she chooses to run) is to put Mitch's congressional record of obstructionism under the microscope. Congress' approval numbers are pathetic. Mitch's easiest road to victory is to cast the election as Mitch vs. Reid-Obama. Hence, this election could come down to money, and the Dems no doubt are weighing what happens if Rove's PAC comes to Mitch's rescue.

    The wild card in all of this is whether Hillary-Bill want to invest the time and potential loss of face should Mitch prevail.

    Right now, I would rate Grimes' odds of pulling a huge upset win at less than 50 percent.
    So Grimes plan is to show Mitch obstructed Obamas agenda in a state that disagrees with Obama soundly ? I'm sure Mitch would welcome it. I'd hire a new campaign team.

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    For the record I think the best way for a democrat to win is to try to find a candidate popular enough to lessen to some degree the strangle hold the GOP has on NKY. Shrinking the GOP margin there is key. I just haven't seen a candidate yet who fits that bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    So Grimes plan is to show Mitch obstructed Obamas agenda in a state that disagrees with Obama soundly ? I'm sure Mitch would welcome it. I'd hire a new campaign team.
    I was thinking the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    For the record I think the best way for a democrat to win is to try to find a candidate popular enough to lessen to some degree the strangle hold the GOP has on NKY. Shrinking the GOP margin there is key. I just haven't seen a candidate yet who fits that bill.

    It would have to be a very popular person (former Reds great maybe?? Sort of the Democrat version of Jim Bunning) I wonder what make NKY so solidly GOP? Generally the GOP is strong in rural settings and NKY is far from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    It would have to be a very popular person (former Reds great maybe?? Sort of the Democrat version of Jim Bunning) I wonder what make NKY so solidly GOP? Generally the GOP is strong in rural settings and NKY is far from that.
    Conservative always has been. At one time heavy democrat . But NKY didn't follow the party as the National party changed. Many people aged 18-40 are first generation republicans who were children of Reagan democrats. But the suburbs of Cincy are heavy republican and NKY is very similar to suburban cincy. For example the Catholics in that region are much more conservative than those of the northeast.

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    I keep hearing McConnell is vulnerable. If that's the case why are none of the "big guns" lining up to take him on?

    Nationally Dems have pushed an agenda that the average Kentuckian despises and I can assure that whoever the Dems run against Mitch will be painted as in lockstep with everything Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    The question is, where do you differerentiate between back room brokering and good compromise? KY's own Henry Clay was highly thought of for his ability to meet middle ground through compromise so each party was satisfied even though maybe not thrilled with the outcome and this compromise allowed for things to get done rather than obstructionist gridlock which is becoming quite common. The biggest problem I have with the Tea Party is their no compromise view. The Tea Party (stupidly in my opinion) seriously considered throwing a candidate against Mitch for the Republican nomination as retribution for Mitch's compromise he made with Obama on legislation to get it passed. I applauded Mitch on sucking it up and being willing to compromise with Obama on the legistlation.
    I use "Back Room Dealing" in the sense that when one is in constant political posturing mode 24/7.... always we/they, us/them, our side the aisle/their side the aisle, democrat/republican, liberal/conservative.......to then go in the back room and do what you should be willing to do on the floor (or in committee) of the Senate or House is not good government. Compromise is a good thing, but the current mode of being so partisian in "public" then cutting a deal in "private" has not served to provide faith in our government leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    So Grimes plan is to show Mitch obstructed Obamas agenda in a state that disagrees with Obama soundly ? I'm sure Mitch would welcome it. I'd hire a new campaign team.
    On second thought, if I were running the Grimes campaign, I might consider keeping the fight in-state, for the most part. Pose the question: "Has Mitch delivered for Kentucky?" Then run a sound bite from last summer when Mitch told the Covington Business Council (meeting aired repeatedly on Insight Cable) that if Northern Kentucky wants a new I-75 bridge, don't look to the feds for funding help. Look to Frankfort for your solution, McConnell said.

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    Great strategy. Before his current incarnation McConnell brought lot's of bacon home to KY. If she goes there she loses. All McConnell has to do is pound her on the Dems stance on the coal industry.

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    Oh joy, we still have over 17 months until the election!

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    I'm very leary and not trusting of ANY politician thats been around 10 plus years . These are the folks that drove the car over the bridge . Esp the past 5 years since the disaster became president.

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