Got Hypocrisy? CAIR Demands School Accomodate Muslim Prayer; Attacks Voluntary Bible

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    Unbelievable, isn't it? Wonder where that atheist group is that goes around complaining about religion in public places? Let's get a rumble going between those two groups.

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    I'm all for allowing the Muslim prayer, however they need to allow worship of all kinds if they're going to do so.

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    I hope there's more to it that this site didn't report.

    Sidenote: These sites (and some posters on here) always break out the "imagine if Christians in Muslim countries...." Why is that even relevant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    I hope there's more to it that this site didn't report.

    Sidenote: These sites (and some posters on here) always break out the "imagine if Christians in Muslim countries...." Why is that even relevant?

    To point out how much many in this country have and continue to bend over backwards to avoid doing anything that may be construed as hurtful to Muslims while pointing out that the practice is anything but reciprocal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    To point out how much many in this country have and continue to bend over backwards to avoid doing anything that may be construed as hurtful to Muslims while pointing out that the practice is anything but reciprocal.
    It's a complete waste of time and a poor argument. Why are we trying to compare ourselves to repressive countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    It's a complete waste of time and a poor argument. Why are we trying to compare ourselves to repressive countries?
    Exactly, why do we care if a less civilized country treats opposing views the same way as us? Makes no sense to me.

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    That's your opinion. I think it's illustrative of what we are now expected to do in this country in the name of "fairness". God (or Allah lest I offend anyone) I have grown to hate that word. And since the source of that repression in many of the countries are Muslims I also think it points out the blatant hypocrisy on MANY (again have to be careful so as not to offend anyone by painting with to broad a brush) that expect concessions like this be made to Muslims in public schools. Like we Catholics are expected to do, if the Muslims want daily prayer in the school on school time start their own schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    That's your opinion. I think it's illustrative of what we are now expected to do in this country in the name of "fairness". God (or Allah lest I offend anyone) I have grown to hate that word. And since the source of that repression in many of the countries are Muslims I also think it points out the blatant hypocrisy on MANY (again have to be careful so as not to offend anyone by painting with to broad a brush) that expect concessions like this be made to Muslims in public schools. Like we Catholics are expected to do, if the Muslims want daily prayer in the school on school time start their own schools.
    It's not fairness, it's basic human decency. They don't have it in a lot of those Middle Eastern countries, I'd like to think we do here.

    Our country was founded on the basis of religious freedom, should we not attempt to honor that?

    As to the specific issue in this thread, as I said, I have no problem allowing muslim prayer, as long as all other prayer is allowed as well. Otherwise my view is the same as it has been in the plethora of other threads we've had on this topic.

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    But that's exactly the point of this thread on the one have CAIR complained that students were even seeking permission to attend an off site Bible study class while at the same time complaining that the prayer needs of Muslin students aren't being met. Do you really not see the hypocrisy of that?

    There's a HUGE difference between allowing religious freedom and caving to the desires of a group. If CAIR wants Muslim students to be allowed to leave school excused for Friday prayers, open a Muslim school. We can't even call it Christmas Break anymore in public schools for fear of offending someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    But that's exactly the point of this thread on the one have CAIR complained that students were even seeking permission to attend an off site Bible study class while at the same time complaining that the prayer needs of Muslin students aren't being met. Do you really not see the hypocrisy of that?

    There's a HUGE difference between allowing religious freedom and caving to the desires of a group. If CAIR wants Muslim students to be allowed to leave school excused for Friday prayers, open a Muslim school. We can't even call it Christmas Break anymore in public schools for fear of offending someone.
    I said if they allow all types of prayer, I'm fine with it, if not, then it's wrong. How much clearer do I have to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    But that's exactly the point of this thread on the one have CAIR complained that students were even seeking permission to attend an off site Bible study class while at the same time complaining that the prayer needs of Muslin students aren't being met. Do you really not see the hypocrisy of that?

    There's a HUGE difference between allowing religious freedom and caving to the desires of a group. If CAIR wants Muslim students to be allowed to leave school excused for Friday prayers, open a Muslim school. We can't even call it Christmas Break anymore in public schools for fear of offending someone.
    Sure you can. I know lots of teachers who still do. You just can't put it in official print that way.

    I think the point trying to be made is that it's not easy to live up to the ideals of our American Experiment. But when we do, even when it is uncomfortable or makes us mad, it benefits humanity as an example of how it should be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Exactly, why do we care if a less civilized country treats opposing views the same way as us? Makes no sense to me.
    Exactly.

    Should we really hold up, I don't know - Syria and Libya, maybe, as standards for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    Sure you can. I know lots of teachers who still do. You just can't put it in official print that way.

    I think the point trying to be made is that it's not easy to live up to the ideals of our American Experiment. But when we do, even when it is uncomfortable or makes us mad, it benefits humanity as an example of how it should be done.
    I don't "like" many posts. Consider this the equivalent of such, as it is completely brilliant.

    Oh, what the hell, I did it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    Sure you can. I know lots of teachers who still do. You just can't put it in official print that way.

    I think the point trying to be made is that it's not easy to live up to the ideals of our American Experiment. But when we do, even when it is uncomfortable or makes us mad, it benefits humanity as an example of how it should be done.
    So then how does prohibiting and apologizing for allowing students to VOLUNTARILY study 1 religion while making accommodations for another live up to the American Experiment?

    The problem in my mind is not that the accommodations for the Muslims were demanded or even that they were even made, the problem is that the same group that made the demands complained when another religion was accommodated and the school board caved to them and apologized. That's unequal treatment and hypocrisy any way you slice it.

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