Do you believe dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark?

**BleedBlue12** · Dec 15, 11, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Parker

Very likely. I'm only hesitant because I'm unsure about the six days of creation.

There are two things that I believe give the impression that the world is older than it is: 1) I believe the flood is literal & that the devastation it created altered the face of the planet. 2) I believe God created things with age already on them. Adam, I believe, was created as an adult. On the day he was created, he was only one-day-old. But he appeared much older than that, because he was created with age on him. Same is true with everything else in creation. It's appears older than it is, in part, because it was aged at birth.

So you believe that the story of creation is to be taken literally? Why is that? Is it not possible that the six days of creation represent a much larger time period than six literal days, over which all of what science tells us has happened actually occurred?

**Randy Parker** · Dec 15, 11, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by BleedBlue12

So you believe that the story of creation is to be taken literally? Why is that? Is it not possible that the six days of creation represent a much larger time period than six literal days, over which all of what science tells us has happened actually occurred?

Yes, I believe it's to be taken literally. And I'm inclined to think that it was six days as we know them because of the repetitive "evening & morning" used in the text.

However, Scripture also says that with God a day is like a thousand years & a thousand years like a day, so of course it's possible that it represented a much larger time period than six literal days.

Essentially, I believe we are here by God's design & purposeful intent; not by a cataclysmic accident.

**SSC** · Dec 15, 11, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Parker

I would be classified as a Biblical literalist, but that is an absurd notion IMO. I'd never heard it before you just mentioned it.

I can't comprehend believing in Jesus and the bible and not being a literalist. Do people just get to pick and choose which stories from the bible to believe?

**Randy Parker** · Dec 15, 11, 10:56 AM

^ I was referring to a comment Jim made that some Christians believe that God planted dino skeletons as a way to test our faith. There's no Biblical evidence of that whatsoever.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 15, 11, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Parker

Very likely. I'm only hesitant because I'm unsure about the six days of creation.

There are two things that I believe give the impression that the world is older than it is: 1) I believe the flood is literal & that the devastation it created altered the face of the planet. 2) I believe God created things with age already on them. Adam, I believe, was created as an adult. On the day he was created, he was only one-day-old. But he appeared much older than that, because he was created with age on him. Same is true with everything else in creation. It's appears older than it is, in part, because it was aged at birth.

If you believe the world is only 6,000 years old then wouldn't humans and dinosaurs had to have inhabited the earth together?

**Randy Parker** · Dec 15, 11, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

If you believe the world is only 6,000 years old then wouldn't humans and dinosaurs had to have inhabited the earth together?

If those six days are six days like ours, yes.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 15, 11, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Parker

If those six days are six days like ours, yes.

So why is there no historical evidence of this?

**Randy Parker** · Dec 15, 11, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

So why is there no historical evidence of this?

As I mentioned earlier, speaking specifically of dinosaurs, I haven't studied it enough. But your question certainly is a valid one.

**formerkywrestler** · Dec 15, 11, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Parker

As I mentioned earlier, speaking specifically of dinosaurs, I haven't studied it enough. But your question certainly is a valid one.

This is always the question I come to when speaking with strict creationist. I'm very curious to see an answer to it as I can't find one myself.

**mcpapa** · Dec 15, 11, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

If you believe all humans came from Adam & Eve than incest had to have happened.

My dad used to have a saying.

"Everything is relative.
Especially incest."

**SSC** · Dec 15, 11, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Parker

^ I was referring to a comment Jim made that some Christians believe that God planted dino skeletons as a way to test our faith. There's no Biblical evidence of that whatsoever.

I was just pointing out that it's all or none IMO. If you believe Jesus is the son of God you can't pick and choose truths in the bible IMO.

**True blue (and gold)** · Dec 15, 11, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by SSC

I was just pointing out that it's all or none IMO. If you believe Jesus is the son of God you can't pick and choose truths in the bible IMO.

Why? Why can't some stories in the bible be parables?

**BleedBlue12** · Dec 15, 11, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by SSC

I was just pointing out that it's all or none IMO. If you believe Jesus is the son of God you can't pick and choose truths in the bible IMO.

Originally Posted by True blue (and gold)

Why? Why can't some stories in the bible be parables?

I'm wondering the same thing. Are you saying it is not Christian to believe that not everything in the Bible is meant in the literal sense? I can honestly say that is a view I've never come across before and am quite interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.

**SSC** · Dec 15, 11, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by True blue (and gold)

Why? Why can't some stories in the bible be parables?

Just my opinion. If any New Testament stories aren't true which ones are? If you can pick and choose truths couldn't they all be fake or parables?

**SSC** · Dec 15, 11, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by BleedBlue12

I'm wondering the same thing. Are you saying it is not Christian to believe that not everything in the Bible is meant in the literal sense? I can honestly say that is a view I've never come across before and am quite interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.

Ever seen a good God debate? All of the ones I've seen the religious scholar or priest always concedes if you don't believe all of the bible, or at the very least the NT you don't believe Jesus is the son of God. Granted I've only seen about 10 but I wholeheartedly agree with that. I just don't think you can pick and choose true bible stories.

**75center** · Dec 15, 11, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

How so? It attracts legions of followers every year.

Define legions.

Huge difference between the attendance and claiming they are the voice of creationist beliefs. Many go out of curiosity and even with those it's still a speck when compared with those who believe in creation theory.

**True blue (and gold)** · Dec 15, 11, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by SSC

Just my opinion. If any New Testament stories aren't true which ones are? If you can pick and choose truths couldn't they all be fake or parables?

I sincerely don't mean this judgementally or negatively, but is that really an answer to my question? As I understand it, the books of the bible were written be different people and another group of people decided which books to be incorporated into the final work. Why do all of the works have to depict actual, true events and some not represent parables?

**Alabama Larry** · Dec 15, 11, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by formerkywrestler

If you believe all humans came from Adam & Eve than incest had to have happened.

Nope, if God can create Adam and bring Eve from his rib, then God can create other men the same way. We got to remember, thats why he is God.

**marvel** · Dec 15, 11, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by True blue (and gold)

Why? Why can't some stories in the bible be parables?

I was always under the impression Jesus spoke in parables quite a bit. Especially when he talked about a rich man entering heaven and stated it would be harder than a camel trying to go through the eye of the needle. I have never heard that he meant an actual needle, rather he was referencing a small gate.

**MJAlltheWay24** · Dec 16, 11, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by SSC

Just my opinion. If any New Testament stories aren't true which ones are? If you can pick and choose truths couldn't they all be fake or parables?

Pastors and Preachers have been manipulated the bible to mean what they want it too for years.

The beauty of the bible (in my opinion) is I could read a passage and it means something totally different to me and my life as what the passage could mean to yours. Which is why we all develop our own faith. Of course there are those in place to help guide us, but still.

I really don't think the bible can be taken completely literally, and if you were going to, I would think you would need to read it in its original translation. There is a reason that there are 100 different version of the bible, because everyone has their own take.