43% of Liberal Iowans describe themselves as Socialist

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    43% of Liberal Iowans describe themselves as Socialist

    Honestly, this clip tonight on the NBC Nightly News frightened me:

    https://youtu.be/HMRk7hf5mWs

    In the clip, it states that Iowans are less likely to care that Bernie Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. 43% of Democratic caucus goers are very liberal, describing themselves as Socialists.

    What is this country becoming, when people more closely identify themselves as Socialists than Capitalists? I seriously worry where we are headed, and what kind of country my kids will inherit. Frightening.

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    Historically, our nation has gone through mildly Socialist periods probably due for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    Historically, our nation has gone through mildly Socialist periods probably due for one.
    I'm assuming you are referring to things like FDR's New Deal. I guess you could say Labor unions are somewhat socialist. Lee Harvey Oswald spent time in Communist Russia and came back to America espousing Socialism.

    It just seems with each passing day Americans are further and further away from what made this country so great .. free spirit, entrepreneurship, Capitalistic hard working drive. Everybody has their hand out wanting the government to take care of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsayin View Post
    Honestly, this clip tonight on the NBC Nightly News frightened me:

    https://youtu.be/HMRk7hf5mWs

    In the clip, it states that Iowans are less likely to care that Bernie Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. 43% of Democratic caucus goers are very liberal, describing themselves as Socialists.

    What is this country becoming, when people more closely identify themselves as Socialists than Capitalists? I seriously worry where we are headed, and what kind of country my kids will inherit. Frightening.

    (sorry for the poor quality video)
    From my perspective, capitalism has given us Free Trade Agreements, Guest Worker Visa Programs, and tolerance of illegal immigration to satisfy Large Agricultural business demand for cheap labour.

    Capitalism was good for America when it was American Capitalism. What we have now is international Capitalism whose interests are not aligned with the interests of any individual country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsayin View Post
    I'm assuming you are referring to things like FDR's New Deal. I guess you could say Labor unions are somewhat socialist. Lee Harvey Oswald spent time in Communist Russia and came back to America espousing Socialism. It just seems with each passing day Americans are further and further away from what made this country so great .. free spirit, entrepreneurship, Capitalistic hard working drive. Everybody has their hand out wanting the government to take care of them.
    That's why Hillary is so popular, she's going to rescue all of the victims in this country, who were the victim in their own story. It was all a set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsayin View Post
    I'm assuming you are referring to things like FDR's New Deal. I guess you could say Labor unions are somewhat socialist. Lee Harvey Oswald spent time in Communist Russia and came back to America espousing Socialism.

    It just seems with each passing day Americans are further and further away from what made this country so great .. free spirit, entrepreneurship, Capitalistic hard working drive. Everybody has their hand out wanting the government to take care of them.
    Especially major corporations.

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    Corporations are people, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsayin View Post
    I'm assuming you are referring to things like FDR's New Deal. I guess you could say Labor unions are somewhat socialist. Lee Harvey Oswald spent time in Communist Russia and came back to America espousing Socialism.

    It just seems with each passing day Americans are further and further away from what made this country so great .. free spirit, entrepreneurship, Capitalistic hard working drive. Everybody has their hand out wanting the government to take care of them.
    One could argue that this country was founded on socialistic principles, at least in some fashion. America was founded with the principles of freedom from oppression, freedom from tyranny, freedom of religion, the intent to allow all citizens opportunity, not just the rich. However, again, one could argue that we've evolved away from a governmental oppression to a corporate oppression and returned as well to economic oppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsayin View Post
    I'm assuming you are referring to things like FDR's New Deal. I guess you could say Labor unions are somewhat socialist. Lee Harvey Oswald spent time in Communist Russia and came back to America espousing Socialism.

    It just seems with each passing day Americans are further and further away from what made this country so great .. free spirit, entrepreneurship, Capitalistic hard working drive. Everybody has their hand out wanting the government to take care of them.
    Really Lee Harvey Oswald is your example of a Socialist?
    So that means John Brown is an abolitionist, Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim, Billy Clyde was a UK basketball coach, and George W. Bush is a president

    New deal, War on Poverty, Teddy Roosevelt versus banks, and there are probably more I am unaware of.

    This is a generation issue. Young people are entering adulthood with a shrinking job market, large student loan debt, healthcare struggle, and an ever growing income inequality. They see things differently from those of us who grew up in the 80's and before. This generation is connected more than ever they see the advantages money gives you, and corruption it often brings.

    To say they just want a handout is insulting that will never bring them back to the capitalistic fold instead it will push them away.

    Many of them while they are limited in age and wisdom are smart and knowledgable. Add that to enthusiasm, and we could see a very different America in 15 years.

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    I'd love to see the demographics of the 43 %. I imagine many/most of them are female college students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsayin View Post
    I'm assuming you are referring to things like FDR's New Deal. I guess you could say Labor unions are somewhat socialist. Lee Harvey Oswald spent time in Communist Russia and came back to America espousing Socialism.

    It just seems with each passing day Americans are further and further away from what made this country so great .. free spirit, entrepreneurship, Capitalistic hard working drive. Everybody has their hand out wanting the government to take care of them.
    And wanting to penalize those who have made the extra effort to be more successful than themselves. Not everybody, but a good number. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InItToWinIt View Post
    I'd love to see the demographics of the 43 %. I imagine many/most of them are female college students.
    That's the next task of the GOP -- to suppress the vote of these uppity, smart coeds.

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    I found those numbers surprising. I'm interested in how those people who identified themselves as socialists would describe what they mean by that. Capitalism and socialism are definable at the broadest level, but contain almost limitless varieties within them that it's sometimes difficult to discern what someone means when they invoke them.

    I have a couple of hunches as to what that might look like.

    1) I imagine the largest chunk of this 43% are people who are galvanized by Sanders. Sanders describes himself as a socialist. Ipso facto they consider themselves socialist.

    2) It's possible "socialism" has lost some of its pejorative meaning and people are more likely to use it as an antithesis to the extravagances of capitalism, as some have done in this thread. Sanders, who calls himself a socialist, often invokes the Scandinavian countries as his model. While these countries have large welfare states, they've hardly gotten rid of the market economy or created economic hermitages walled off from the rest of the capitalist world. So, perhaps for some of these people they are expressing a desire for a more robust safety net or expressing their angst towards rampant inequality and what they perceive to be a plutocracy in this country, rather than a dogmatic ideology.

    3) Perhaps the above was correct but has not evolved into a genuine movement to replace the capitalist system with a socialist one.

    In any event I'm still quite surprised that Sanders' candidacy has weakened the stigma against the word so much that this many people will now readily identify with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InItToWinIt View Post
    I'd love to see the demographics of the 43 %. I imagine many/most of them are female college students.
    And? Considering there are more women in the workforce and more women in college they may have an important voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    And? Considering there are more women in the workforce and more women in college they may have an important voice.
    Pshaw! Those women should learn their place and get back in the kitchen! Their men will tell them what (and when) to think!

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