Why can't the public school powers that be get this one through their thick skulls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    Iíve spent years debating this issue, and Iím so disappointed in the mentality of the public schools who are proposing these ideas, that I canít even speak of it. Iím angry too. You know why Iím angry? Hereís a quote from todayís C-J article:



    WHEN WILL SCHOOLS STOP LOOKING AT STUDENTS AS PROPERTY? You know what will help the public schools more than anything? The end of funding ďper studentĒ. Maybe then schools will look at their students and investments into the future of their schools, both academically and athletically. Right now, these schools want the warm bodies that represent dollars. Whereís the effort to make your school something that students WANT to attend? Whereís the effort to build a tradition that spawns a supportive alumni base? You know, the kind of alumni base that comes back to volunteer for you, donate money to your special projects, teach in your schools? Students go to school, they graduate, and they never give a thought about that school afterward. They move on, send their kids to other schools, and so on and so on.
    I think that this is the real heart of the issue. I truly believe that many of the public school administrators feel that they somehow own these kids. There are lots of kids that come out of Catholic grade schools and go on to public high schools. If it was done for economic reasons, I'm sorry that we haven't done a better job of raising money to make our schools more affordable. If it was done for other reasons, including the individual families assesment of where their best academic and athletic success could be achieved, good luck to you, and I wish you every success. I wish that public school administrators would have the same attitude toward the kids that attend public schools for some portion of their academic career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTNFAN
    If a kid can truly play, a coach will find him, horrible team or not.
    Only if he is a top notch player. If he plays a team sport and that team losses almost every game, he will never be seen by coach.

    I'm not talking about blue-chip players, I'm talking about those players that mostly sit the bench, but still recieve a scholarship in DI. Or a kid who can be an average player in an NAIA or DII school.

    Just a reminder though I am not for seperation of public and private.

    PS. Guru, Beechwood does have a boundry they must take those students inside of that boundry, but they choose to take anyone outside of it, just like all ather public schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I wish that public school administrators would have the same attitude toward the kids that attend public schools for some portion of their academic career.
    I wish the parents of public schools would have the same attitude toward thier kids, not administrators.

    (I apologise for those public school parents that already do this, but the number of those that don't may not be a majority, but it is high enough to cause turmoil in the schools.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stark
    What if they have better resources (recruiting) than you? Oh wait, we are not suppose to be recruiting athletes.

    Do you know for a fact that anyone has been recruiting. That word is thrown around a lot here. That is the reason for people wanting to separting. If recruiting is such as problem then the KHSAA can clean it one school by school. Here is also a fact. At CovCath, whose name is being mentioned as the "Evil Empire", has had only a handful of players go D-1 football in its history. It was a big deal when Alex Donoghue went to Louisville. Usually in a good year their quarterback goes to Hanover or some small D-3 school. If their athletes are so superior how come they don't go big time D-1?

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    1.) Opening enrollment without boundaries is absolutely absurd. Let's not force kids to grow up too quickly. Let's face it, education is very important but at the high school age it's extremely important that kids learn socially too. Something that can't be taught out of a textbook. Let the child pick where he/she wants to college. Believe me, they'll learn enough at a university I promise!

    2.) An open enrollment would do nothing to improve rural schools, only a small area in this state. Don't force your opinions down our throat only to help your tiny sector in this Commonwealth. Why do you think people root against private schools and Louisville schools at the state basketball championship? Because we don't like your stuck up, elitist attitudes would be my guess.

    3.) Hey guess what? There's something similar to private schools already in this nation called boarding schools! Oh but wait a minute. This wouldn't help you in any shape, form, or fashion in building your all-star squads now would it? God forbid if little Susie was 2 hours away getting taught self-discipline and being self-independent but this doesn't fit into your plan I suppose.

    4.) Here's an idea that's seemed to work quite nicely. If people want their kids to go to a private school, how about everyone in that particular school build a little community and live together. That way that school would be representing a community. But wait a minute, that would mean that you'd live too close to each other and then it would get back to Mrs. Smith that your were talking about how hideous she looked in her pink and green dress.

    5.) Listen, if you don't think something works, don't think you're so high and mighty that you change other people's opinions. That's one great aspect about this Commonwealth, we're not naive.

    6.) Finally, the good folks in McCracken County shot down the idea of consolodation because they like the sense of community. Sure it's nice to win consistently but it makes it so much sweeter when Lone Oak wins the region basketball championship for the first time in 70 or so years. It's awesome that Heath's baseball team stayed very competitive with a school 6 times their size in the state tournament. It's fantastic that Reidland win's state softball championships. The residents here realize when it's appropriate for all star teams such as our Post 31 baseball team that has some of the best success in the state. Also, the rest of the great people of western Kentucky realize how powerful a sense of community is to them. Mayfield is competitive year after year in football, Paducah Tilghman advanced to the state championship in basketball and a few years before that, lost to Scott County in what could've been the worst call in sweet 16 history. Marshall County is competitive in soccer. The list goes on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler

    Open enrollment is a disaster for inner city schools.
    Louisville Central is really suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    Give me a break, you have to be kidding me. If anyone gets cheated on school funding it is anywhere but the rural areas of Kentucky. I would like to see a breakdown of how much money goes into the state budget from from each county and how much we get back. In NKY the schools get killed, we give way more than we get back.

    I'd like to know how many new or consolidated schools were built from the late 1960's through 1993 because that's how long people waited for a new school in my area of Floyd County.

    Students attended McDowell High School, built in late 1920's, until 1993 and it was located in a flood plain. The school site is now an elementary school - still in the flood plain with no money from a state budget to create a new school and kids from getting trapped inside a gym when flood waters rise. It has happened in the past.

    Students at Wheelwright High School were also attending classes in a building constructed before 1930 until both it, and McDowell, were consolidated into South Floyd High School.

    Why did it take so long to correct this problem when, as you say, "If anyone gets cheated on school funding it is anywhere but the rural areas of Kentucky."

    Respectfully sir - Give Me A Break.

    I'm through with this thread. I'm sorry that I care more about my local community and want to keep my socialist money here. I feel someone has to invest in my area because nobody outside of the mountains cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstregionking
    1.) Opening enrollment without boundaries is absolutely absurd. Let's not force kids to grow up too quickly. Let's face it, education is very important but at the high school age it's extremely important that kids learn socially too. Something that can't be taught out of a textbook. Let the child pick where he/she wants to college. Believe me, they'll learn enough at a university I promise!

    2.) An open enrollment would do nothing to improve rural schools, only a small area in this state. Don't force your opinions down our throat only to help your tiny sector in this Commonwealth. Why do you think people root against private schools and Louisville schools at the state basketball championship? Because we don't like your stuck up, elitist attitudes would be my guess.

    3.) Hey guess what? There's something similar to private schools already in this nation called boarding schools! Oh but wait a minute. This wouldn't help you in any shape, form, or fashion in building your all-star squads now would it? God forbid if little Susie was 2 hours away getting taught self-discipline and being self-independent but this doesn't fit into your plan I suppose.

    4.) Here's an idea that's seemed to work quite nicely. If people want their kids to go to a private school, how about everyone in that particular school build a little community and live together. That way that school would be representing a community. But wait a minute, that would mean that you'd live too close to each other and then it would get back to Mrs. Smith that your were talking about how hideous she looked in her pink and green dress.

    5.) Listen, if you don't think something works, don't think you're so high and mighty that you change other people's opinions. That's one great aspect about this Commonwealth, we're not naive.

    6.) Finally, the good folks in McCracken County shot down the idea of consolodation because they like the sense of community. Sure it's nice to win consistently but it makes it so much sweeter when Lone Oak wins the region basketball championship for the first time in 70 or so years. It's awesome that Heath's baseball team stayed very competitive with a school 6 times their size in the state tournament. It's fantastic that Reidland win's state softball championships. The residents here realize when it's appropriate for all star teams such as our Post 31 baseball team that has some of the best success in the state. Also, the rest of the great people of western Kentucky realize how powerful a sense of community is to them. Mayfield is competitive year after year in football, Paducah Tilghman advanced to the state championship in basketball and a few years before that, lost to Scott County in what could've been the worst call in sweet 16 history. Marshall County is competitive in soccer. The list goes on and on.
    Hey, didn't know a fellow poster from my area was on here, great post. I have been trying to write a good post about small communities for a while and you summed it up, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stark
    I'd like to know how many new or consolidated schools were built from the late 1960's through 1993 because that's how long people waited for a new school in my area of Floyd County.

    Students attended McDowell High School, built in late 1920's, until 1993 and it was located in a flood plain. The school site is now an elementary school - still in the flood plain with no money from a state budget to create a new school and kids from getting trapped inside a gym when flood waters rise. It has happened in the past.

    Students at Wheelwright High School were also attending classes in a building constructed before 1930 until both it, and McDowell, were consolidated into South Floyd High School.

    Why did it take so long to correct this problem when, as you say, "If anyone gets cheated on school funding it is anywhere but the rural areas of Kentucky."

    Respectfully sir - Give Me A Break.

    I'm through with this thread. I'm sorry that I care more about my local community and want to keep my socialist money here. I feel someone has to invest in my area because nobody outside of the mountains cares.
    You are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stark
    I'm through with this thread. I'm sorry that I care more about my local community and want to keep my socialist money here. I feel someone has to invest in my area because nobody outside of the mountains cares.
    Well I guess the state of Kentucky's laws that take funding out of our areas and funnel them into the rural areas of the state are just plain uncaring. If we're going to be uncaring, we might as well be indifferent and put the money back into our own schools since it clearly isn't appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    Guru;

    The only way for this open enrollement to work is for the great USA to stop cumpulsary education. If we stop making kids go to schoo then everything is equal.

    Who realy gets hurt in this equation are the inner city schools. What would happen to Newport, and Covington in Nky? Those who can play a sport and have a perent who backs them will send them elswhere. Those kids who can play and their parents do not support them (which occurs too much in inner city schools) will lose any chance at all of getting a scholorship in his/her sport because they will play for a horrible team. This would kill almost any chance of that student making it out of the inner city.

    Open enrollment is a disaster for inner city schools.
    As a proud Graduate of an innercity school I would have to politely disagree.

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    Manual is not a inner city school in the sense that a Central is. Manual picks and chooses students. Manual and Male are what many in Louisville consider a Public-Private school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomam
    Manual is not a inner city school in the sense that a Central is. Manual picks and chooses students. Manual and Male are what many in Louisville consider a Public-Private school.

    Central is a good school these days. I think open enrollment actually helped them the most in the overall scheme of things.

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    I know Central is a lot better then it used to be but it is still very different then Manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomam
    Manual is not a inner city school in the sense that a Central is. Manual picks and chooses students. Manual and Male are what many in Louisville consider a Public-Private school.
    Manual is on 2nd and Lee, it is an innercity school. Central is on 11th and Chestnut, and it is also a Magnet school. It was made a magnet school to get kids from the suburbs to go downtown and open space for inner city schools to go to schools in suburbs.

    Off the subject but how long do you think they are going to keep Moore and Western open?

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