Why can't the public school powers that be get this one through their thick skulls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    The answer why is easy, socialism. As long as we continue to give out welfare all of these problems will grow and grow and grow...
    Prior to the Reform Act which you have stated to be a good return on the investment, most funding was a local income circumstance. Yet, there was no worse, more criminal enterprise than school systems. Note some local events in NorKY, prior to KERA. The big screen TV that was found at a former state rep's/principal house - who also was not certified to be an administrator. A certain independent school district chairperson who was forced to resign due to financial kickbacks for job hires.

    Or, throughout the state, certain schools that diverted classroom funds into bigger gyms.

    The reform act, as mandated by legal decision FORCED all local school systems to raise funding to an unheard of level. It also forced the state to match and balance the local funding effort. Unprecendented at the time, it is now a working model of many programs.

    Today, there is a pending suit that is continuing to advance on the grounds of adequate funding - as MANDATED by the state constitution.

    Your link provides great info and there is more to add. Yet, the fact is for your view to prevail this has to happen: Overturn a basic part of the state constitution. That will simply not happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by letabrotherspeak
    I understand where you are going with this, but the boundries serves many facets.
    For one, the unpredictability of enrollment would create chaos in regards to budgets.
    From what I understand school districts can budget money for a year or two ahead and most recently only a year or so ahead.
    Of course long range projections can be made ala with Boone County planning a new middle school and eventually a high school. But even with that it is based on projected enrollments.
    A school disrict is able to get a ball park figure in regards to budgets based on the enrollments of their feeder schools, elementary to middle then to high school.
    If you had the unstable forecasting of projected enrollment it could throw the entire alloation for teachers and staff out of whack. One school could be sorely understaffed while another would be overstaffed.
    Schools get money based on "average daily attendance" in Kentucky, and erasing boundry lines could have a traumatic effect on some districts.
    Particularly, those in urban areas who depend on state monies according to the SEEK formulas.
    Then again you be widening the chasms between the "haves" and the "have nots" of the world.
    In summary, too much unpredictability in regards to enrollments would be a nightmare for most public school districts.
    This is one of the few well thought out posts in this entire thread. It's easy to say "hey just get rid of your boundries". However the statement has little substance. Just as LABS said, public schools have to establish budgets based on enrollment which is the primary determining factor in funds received from the state. It's MUCH different preparing a budget based on tax revenues vs. enrollment fees.

    This having been said, I feel the KHSAA should let this whole debate drop and allow the public and private schools to continue to compete with one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    So what your telling me is this kids choose to pay thousands of dollars to go to a high school when they can go to a public high school free of tuition? I dont know cause they arent any private schools around this area but that is what i have heard. But yeah i guess all the players that play for the N. Kentucky teams are from the state of Kentucky arent they!
    The answer to your first question is yes. I sent three kids to private school and paid full price while having the honor of paying my fair share to the public school system as well. With your thinking you might ask who would ever go to Notre Dame when they could go to IU for a fraction of the cost. FYI, the public schools don't teach what I want my kids to learn. Thats not an insult, its the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSURock
    The answer to your first question is yes. I sent three kids to private school and paid full price while having the honor of paying my fair share to the public school system as well. With your thinking you might ask who would ever go to Notre Dame when they could go to IU for a fraction of the cost. FYI, the public schools don't teach what I want my kids to learn. Thats not an insult, its the law.
    Okay Ill talk your word on it cause honestly like I said there arent many private schools around here and the tuition thing was just hear say and I apologize and if you are lucky enough to have money to pay to go to a private school then more power to you. But you can not honestly set there and tell me that all this private school kids are within county lines or even state lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    Do you honestly not understand the mission of a catholic school do you not read any posts. The mission of a catholic is to cater to any and all people who want a Catholic education. They can not go against this mission the schools themselves have no choice but to follow the mission their bishop sets for them. If you don't think Catholic schools are community based your blind. I guarntee you catholic schools are as community based and supported by that community as well or better than any other school in state.
    Which "community" does CovCath serve? How about NewCath?

    Are you saying that ONLY those students wishing a Catholic "education" attend these schools? What about those non-Catholic students that seem to excel at athletics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    But you can not honestly set there and tell me that all this private school kids are within county lines or even state lines.
    No one has ever claimed that but before taking this as the nail that you will use to close the lid on private school's coffins please be aware that:
    • DuPont Manual High School, a public school in Jefferson County, takes students from surrounding counties and Southern Indiana on a tuition basis.
    • Highlands High School, a public school in Campbell County, take students from surrounding counties and Ohio on a tuition basis.
    • Public High Schools on the West Virginia border take students from West Virginia on a tuition basis.
    Those are just a few examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    Okay Ill talk your word on it cause honestly like I said there arent many private schools around here and the tuition thing was just hear say and I apologize and if you are lucky enough to have money to pay to go to a private school then more power to you. But you can not honestly set there and tell me that all this private school kids are within county lines or even state lines.
    Only speaking for one, but I'm confident that all of the ones from the primary private high school I support are from in-state, in-county, in-parish, in-district, from our feeder schools, and still competitive athleticly!! Not sure what you're "hearing", but there's not many out-of-state kids playing in NKY in any given year. Actually, if anything the opposite is true--KY kids playing in OH, but that doesn't happen much any more. Maybe in other parts of the state--But that's just what I hear!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGGreen
    Only speaking for one, but I'm confident that all of the ones from the primary private high school I support are from in-state, in-county, in-parish, in-district, from our feeder schools, and still competitive athleticly!! Not sure what you're "hearing", but there's not many out-of-state kids playing in NKY in any given year. Actually, if anything the opposite is true--KY kids playing in OH, but that doesn't happen much any more. Maybe in other parts of the state--But that's just what I hear!!
    CCH has them from the 3 main NKY counties .

    BTW, KY kids cannot play sports in OH. OH has a residency requirement.

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    The "just work harder and build better facilities and hire better coaches" attitude is crap!

    Frankfort High School is a small urban high school in the state's capital city. It currently enrolls about 350 students 150 of them will play sports this year. We do not have a large tax base, so the money we collect in taxes has to go to facilities (schools) and personnel. We own two athletic facilities, a gym and football field. We have no solid weight room, no baseball/softball hitting facility, no track, no fitness center no whatever. The board of education gave us enough money for uniforms this year and pays for transportation and upkeep of the facilities we have. Now we can try as hard as we want, and we can work ouselves to death, but we will never have the facilities that LCA or LexCath has. Spending money on fitness centers and weight rooms is not as important to us as hiring new teachers. We have a small pot of money and not a long list of wealthy benefactors. We compete with what we have, and simply stated the playing field is not fair. Our kids cannot afford private coaches and strength trainers so our coaches work extremely hard to be all things to these kids. Why should they not have the ability to compete against people in like circumstances. They did not choose where they live or their economic situation - they are kids looking for a chance to be special and why shouldn't we give them every opportunity.

    Many of you would suggest that our kids simply accept scholarships from LCA and LexCath and go to those schools. Then what happens to the sense of community and rallying around your "home" team on Friday nights.

    Furthermore, to even begin to suggest that parents from the private schools do not recruit kids is crazy. A parent of a LexCath kid sat in a gym in Frankfort and talked to the parents of an 8th grader while they watched his brother play basketball for the local team. He talked about the great facilities and all the opportunities for the young man. Fortunately those parents were loyal to the local school and the kid stayed around and he is thriving - that is where most of the recruiting takes place, and it is not a violation b/c that parent is not an "officer" of the school.

    It is so easy to be one of the haves and to tell everybody just to work harder and spend more time on it - We work hard, but we started way behind, and we do have quality coaches.

    The KHSAA is not some weird organization the formed itself, it was created by the schools as a governance organization and the schools all vote on the by-laws. It will be the schools that change this rule, if it is changed and not the KHSAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGGreen
    Only speaking for one, but I'm confident that all of the ones from the primary private high school I support are from in-state, in-county, in-parish, in-district, from our feeder schools, and still competitive athleticly!! Not sure what you're "hearing", but there's not many out-of-state kids playing in NKY in any given year. Actually, if anything the opposite is true--KY kids playing in OH, but that doesn't happen much any more. Maybe in other parts of the state--But that's just what I hear!!
    And the key word was "but theres not many out-of-state kids playing in NKY in any given year." Not many but that still means its going on doesnt it! And whatever school you are talking about you support i would love to see the address of those players in relation to the location of the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72birdman
    Which "community" does CovCath serve? How about NewCath?

    Are you saying that ONLY those students wishing a Catholic "education" attend these schools? What about those non-Catholic students that seem to excel at athletics?
    I'll let the NCC and CovCath supporters answer the communities thing, but it appears your location says it all about who's "attracting" student/athletes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBigRed
    I thought we were talking about open enrollment, but to answer your question, it will help a school like graves get further in the 4A playoffs by not having to play teams that get their players from all over the place. If a school like graves can get further in the playoffs and possibly win a championship, it will help the football program out tremendously. I know, I know, watered down, but think about this, why would a good coach want to go to a school that can't get the athletes rather than a school that can? If you don't like the public whiners then why do you even want to be assoicated with them?

    On the issue of Open Enrollment here is a thread from about a year or so ago that might explain the issue in more detail.

    http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showth...pen+Enrollment

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    And the key word was "but theres not many out-of-state kids playing in NKY in any given year." Not many but that still means its going on doesnt it! And whatever school you are talking about you support i would love to see the address of those players in relation to the location of the school.
    Feel free to check the Bishop Brossart rosters for out-of-anything kids if you'd like?? Despite serving a suburban/rural area, you'll find most kids live within 10 minutes of the school!! The reason I even mentioned any NKY kids from out-of-state is there were a couple of Cincinnati kids playing for a school over here a couple of years ago, whose inner-city school didn't offer football. (By the way, they didn't win anything with these players, but simply gave some disadvantaged kids a chance to play)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    And the key word was "but theres not many out-of-state kids playing in NKY in any given year." Not many but that still means its going on doesnt it! And whatever school you are talking about you support i would love to see the address of those players in relation to the location of the school.
    I don't know of any OH kids playing in NKY.

    Brossart, BTW, is not a school that is going to draw kids form multiple counties. THe only county I could see might be Pendleton.

    I'll trust BG when he says there are none from out of Campbell County. Heck , there are probably none outside of Southern Campbell County.

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    Who is Bishop Brossart anyway? Im talking about the power house schools from NKY that always are in contention for everything. Does Bishop Brossart even have a football team? And i guess that those disadvantaged kids that lived in Cincinnati that decided to come over here and play football couldnt have went to a local school in Cincinnati to have played football or do none of the Cincinnati schools have football teams.

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